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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:29 am

Thoughts on how dealers will handle the discontinued Volt? Discounted pricing, or maintain pricing as "you won't be able to get them anymore"?

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:22 am

booper wrote:Thoughts on how dealers will handle the discontinued Volt? Discounted pricing, or maintain pricing as "you won't be able to get them anymore"?


Yes. (Both.) GM will likely offer deals starting around christmas.
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:55 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
booper wrote:Thoughts on how dealers will handle the discontinued Volt? Discounted pricing, or maintain pricing as "you won't be able to get them anymore"?


Yes. (Both.) GM will likely offer deals starting around christmas.


They should do it sooner than that, their Fed Tax Credit will be cut in half after year end!

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:01 am

booper wrote:They should do it sooner than that, their Fed Tax Credit will be cut in half after year end!

Doesn't sound right. I don't think you realize how the phase out works.

See phase out chart at the bottom of https://web.archive.org/web/20140208025 ... xevb.shtml.

This is Tesla's timeline: https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives. From stories like https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesl ... SKBN1K222F, looks like Tesla hit the 200K in July 2018.

Look at https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers- ... dit-limit/ and https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... out-begins. GM will be hitting it at end of Q4 2018, so reduction will start later due to how the phase out works.

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:29 pm

Thx, I must have though GM was on a similar pace as Tesla. This makes a big difference, so appreciate the correction.

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:32 am

joeriv wrote:hmmv wrote "My vote goes to the Volt, LEAF will see a much steeper depreciation than the Volt."

Not really - according to this article https://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-chevy-volt-high-depreciation/ the top three highest five year depreciation rates are the Nissan Leaf at 71.7%, the Chevy Volt at 71.2% and the BMW 7 series at 71.1%. The average for all vehicles is 50.2%.


I just did a KBB comparison of a 2013 Volt and a 2013 Leaf SL and assumed both had 60,000 miles and were in very good condition. The private party value for the Volt is $11,000, the private party value for the Leaf is $7800. I think the Volt will hold it's value a lot better and is a more versatile car. Plus, with that "employee pricing" promotion they are offering right now I've seen 2018 Volts listed under $30k and you know you could negotiate it down from there.

Unless you really like the Leaf, need room in the back seat for adults (because the Volt back seats are cramped), or are committed to a BEV and not a PHEV then the Volt honestly seems like the better long term value from my perspective.
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:45 pm

golfcart wrote:need room in the back seat for adults (because the Volt back seats are cramped),.


I don't think the Volt's rear seats are all that cramped once you're in the car. But getting into that backseat requires the skills of a contortionist if you're more than about 5 feet tall, thanks to the roofline.

And don't even try using the middle seat if you have legs.
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:52 pm

RonDawg wrote:
I don't think the Volt's rear seats are all that cramped once you're in the car. But getting into that backseat requires the skills of a contortionist if you're more than about 5 feet tall, thanks to the roofline.

And don't even try using the middle seat if you have legs.


Maybe I'm biased because I'm 6' 1" with a 30" inseam but i I'd have serious neck problems sitting back there on a regular basis. Lol
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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:54 pm

The latest Consumer Reports magazine in my library has an article on car reliability.

"CR provides reliability ratings for models that are brand-new, redesigned for 2019, or with limited data. To make these predictions, our auto experts look at the overall history of how a brand has performed and the reliability of the previous generation of the model, if there was one. We also make our judgments by looking at similar models or ones that share components. We don’t score new or redesigned vehicles on a 0-to-100 scale, but we give them a general reliability rating based on our analysis.



HYBRIDS/ELECTRIC CARS
Toyota Prius C 93
Toyota Prius Prime 91
BMW i3 89
Toyota Prius 87
Kia Niro 77
Nissan Leaf 69
Chevrolet Bolt 50
Hyundai Ioniq 37
Chevrolet Volt 32
Honda Clarity 14"

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Re: Which should I get: Nissan leaf SL or Chevrolet Volt?

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:33 am

booper wrote:Thx, I must have though GM was on a similar pace as Tesla. This makes a big difference, so appreciate the correction.

https://insideevs.com/top-6-automakers- ... dit-limit/ confirms that GM is past the 200K mark now.

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