MaxLeafPower
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Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:11 pm

Well my 11 leaf officially dropped to 4 bars :lol: . I really don't want to buy a new battery because the car is not worth that much. I'm looking at some salvage yards on the internet. A lot of the wrecked cars don't have the photos of the number of bars on the dashboard so it's very hard to determine which batteries have degraded.

Anyway, right now I'm just asking the salvage yard to email me a picture of the dashboard so I can see how many bars are left. Is that good enough to determine if the battery pack is good condition? Or should have I doing more?

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:38 pm

If you can't get bar or SOH info, look for a '15 Leaf battery in a salvage yard in the North. Those batteries hold up very well if not run hot too often. A '14 battery would also be a decent bet (again, from Northern states only). Last decent choice would be a '13, but ONLY from a car built after March of 2013. The build month is on a driver's side door sticker. Do NOT buy one from a car built before April of 2013, unless the battery was a warranty replacement installed in 2015 or later.
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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:45 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:If you can't get bar or SOH info, look for a '15 Leaf battery in a salvage yard in the North. Those batteries hold up very well if not run hot too often. A '14 battery would also be a decent bet (again, from Northern states only). Last decent choice would be a '13, but ONLY from a car built after March of 2013. The build month is on a driver's side door sticker. Do NOT buy one from a car built before April of 2013, unless the battery was a warranty replacement installed in 2015 or later.


Last year I was talking with my local Nissan dealership and they said they would replaced a used battery but would not guaranty that it would work. This was the service rep so I don't know how much he knows about the Nissan Leafs. Maybe I'll give them another call and see if I can get any more.

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:05 am

Just swapping in a less used battery wont work. The battery management system is coded to the rest of the car.

For a successful swap, you need to open the battery, and swap the BMS between the two before fitting it to the car.

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:05 am

Dala wrote:Just swapping in a less used battery wont work. The battery management system is coded to the rest of the car.

For a successful swap, you need to open the battery, and swap the BMS between the two before fitting it to the car.


Ok, to make a long story short, the service rep said they wouldn't be able to guaranty the work to install a used 2013 battery pack into my 2011 leaf. in order to guaranty it then I would have to buy the new battery pack from them which he also said was the original 2011 battery pack and not the new lizard cell battery pack.

I'll call the dealership again and if they will install the original BMS with the new "used" battery pack.

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:29 am

Dala wrote:
For a successful swap, you need to open the battery, and swap the BMS between the two before fitting it to the car.


However, this is a Nissan dealership we're talking about - while we couldn't get a SD card with the battery pack ID made, perhaps they can. And if they can then they can almost certainly use it to update the pack ID in the car's VCM. No BMS swap necessary.
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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:31 am

MaxLeafPower wrote:He also said was the original 2011 battery pack and not the new lizard cell battery pack.


I am 100% certain he's wrong about you getting an original 2011 pack.

Even if that were plausible, I would pretty much insist on a 2015 (lizard) pack with the fitting kit. You can always check the part numbers - the most recent revisions of the 2015 pack I'm aware of are 295B0-3NF9D and 295B0-3NF9E (depending on whether the car has a heated pack or not).

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:20 pm

Just curious, what is your range nw with 4 bars when fully charged? What weather, temp etc?

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:31 pm

There also can be fitment problems with '13+ packs into an '11. See replies by Aaron (a well-known Leaf tech in the PNW) at https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... 8378082921. He has some replies there.

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Re: Buying a used battery from salvage yards

Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 am

cwerdna wrote:There also can be fitment problems with '13+ packs into an '11. See replies by Aaron (a well-known Leaf tech in the PNW) at https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... 8378082921. He has some replies there.


This.

I've spoken with Cor directly and he has confirmed that in addition to needing the plug adapter to go from 13+ to 11/12, there are also physical fitment problems with the battery cover (the plastic that goes over the battery under the car). The battery cover was changed slightly, so if you intend to do a pack/pack replacement, you should also get the cover. Additionally, the older VCM (11/12) may have compatibility issues with the newer battery packs, according to EVSEnhanced.

The only guaranteed to work options are:
1) Open both packs and replace all of the cells from a newer pack into the original 11/12 pack, keeping the BMS and wiring harnesses from 11/12. This only works if the pack is 24kWh. You cannot use 30/40 kWh cells. OR
2) Get a pack for the same model year and battery heater combination. Use EVSEnhanced's tool to re-pair the battery pack to the car. OR
3) Buy a replacement pack from Nissan. They will ensure that the pack is compatible with your car and comes with the wiring harness adapter.

If you go with option 3, it's very expensive, but it will NOT come with 2011 cells. All new packs purchased from Nissan use the latest battery chemistry and carry the standard 8 year battery warranty (and 5 year capacity warranty).
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