Jerryr
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What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Fri May 10, 2019 9:57 pm

I’ve owned a 2018 Leaf SV for about 10 months. I traded in our 2015 Leaf SL for it. It’s been a perfect car for us locally. I’ve never had range anxiety like I did occasionally with the 2015.

BUT, I purchased a cabin in the woods about 120 miles from home. The drive across Florida from home to the cabin doesn’t have any charging stations and I’m reluctant to take the drive. It’s pretty much a trip with only 2 red lights in 100 miles of remote, rural, 2 lane 60 MPH roads. My dilemma is that I’m not comfortable making the 120 mile trip without ability to charge on the way. At 60 mph for 2 hours would be a stretch for a 40 KWH Leaf.

Seeing the new 62 KWH Leaf Plus has me excited except for prices being quoted. My 2018 SV is paid off and they are offering $21,000 trade value and $42,000 for the 2019 SL plus. With fees, taxes and other BS costs it comes out to my car plus $24,000 out of my pocket. My tax situation qualifies to take full advantage of the $7,500 IRS credit but no other credits in Florida. So the bottom line is it will cost me a net $16,500 to make the swap.

I currently own another car (2018 Focus Titanium) that we use to make the trip and drive around there locally at the cabin area. It’s worth $15,000. I’m a big buy yet I can get in and out of the Leaf comfortably. The focus isn’t as comfortable to get in and out of.

What do you think? Should I trade the Leaf in on a SL PLUS? Perhaps trade both cars in on the SLPlus?

We also own a 2015 Lexus RX450h Hybrid and a F350 Diesel Truck to haul our RV so trading in the 18 Leaf and other small car on another Leaf wouldn’t leave us without an ICE car.

Here’s the 1st offering of the deal.

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Lothsahn
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Fri May 10, 2019 10:03 pm

Why not a Tesla? It'd be a little more, and they're not as good build quality or reliability, but the batteries last longer and they have better tech.

If you sell it yourself, you could probably get another 2-3k instead of the trade in. I think you can also do slightly better on the price if that's a SV plus. If it's an SL Plus, that seems like a good price.

I don't know your situation, but 2 cars plus the Lexus and the truck seems overkill. I'd sell the focus regardless, but I suspect my financial situation is tighter than yours...

Cars plummet in value. I try to have as little money tied up in them as possible.

Kudos to owning your Leaf outright.
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Jerryr
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Fri May 10, 2019 10:15 pm

Lothsahn wrote:Why not a Tesla?

If you sell it yourself, you could probably get another 2-3k instead of the trade in.

I don't know your situation, but 2 cars plus the Lexus and the truck seems overkill. I'd sell the focus regardless, but I suspect my financial situation is tighter than yours...

Cars plummet in value. I try to have as little money tied up in them as possible.

Kudos to owning your Leaf outright.


Selling myself I loose $1,250 in sales tax advantage.

We test drove a Tesla Model 3. I have the same issue getting in and out of the Tesla. I hit my head on the door opening and have to bend my neck uncomfortably. I’m in my early 70’s and 6’ 250 lbs.

I’ll probably take another look at Tesla.

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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Fri May 10, 2019 10:16 pm

As long as you can recharge at the cabin, 120 miles at 60MPH in a 40kwh Leaf should be quite possible. A/C only costs a few (3?) miles of range, and heat at mild temps (if you have the all weather package) should only cost maybe 10 miles. If you don't have the heat pump, just set the heat to 68 or so, the fan to Low (or 2 if damp), and the ventilation to floor-only with partial/auto recirculation. Use Eco mode, make sure the tires are at 40psi or a bit higher, set the Cruise to 60MPH, and enjoy the trip. The Guess O Meter in the 2018 is much better than earlier versions, and should warn you if you need to slow to 50MPH. Remember: the fastest way to get there in an EV with marginal range is to slow down, not to recharge (QC excepted).
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Lothsahn
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Fri May 10, 2019 10:22 pm

Jerryr wrote:
We test drove a Tesla Model 3. I have the same issue getting in and out of the Tesla. I hit my head on the door opening and have to bend my neck uncomfortably. I’m in my early 70’s and 6’ 250 lbs.

I’ll probably take another look at Tesla.


If you're not comfortable in the car, definitely don't buy it. :-). The model 3 is a small car.

See my edit above on the price. 42k seems high unless it's the SL.

Agree with Leftie that on rural roads you can safely slow down and will have plenty of range. You can get a 50%+ range increase at 35mph compared to 70. Leftie said the most efficient speed is something like 17 mph. So if you go 50 mph you'll probably have plenty of range even in the 2018 Leaf.
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lorenfb
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Sat May 11, 2019 7:21 am

LeftieBiker wrote:Remember: the fastest way to get there in an EV with marginal range is to slow down, not to recharge (QC excepted).


Yes, it's that simple! At 50-55 there's no problem.
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umdkevin
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Sat May 11, 2019 9:00 am

I made the switch and love it. Range anxiety went from let's say a 3 out 10 to Zero. Unfortunate you don't have other state (or Utility?) credits. I think you can you can get the down more though either on the sticker or the trade.

Also, answering your post question, I'd regularly get 160 on the 40 and I'm getting ~225 on the 602Wh (only 1,000 miles so far though). Generally am efficient driver (4.2 kW/mile, 3.7 winter).
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Sat May 11, 2019 9:15 am

I have a 2018 SL & have not seen less than 138 miles of range driving in 28F weather & as much as 183 miles in summer weather doing 62mph indicated when on the highway when at 100% SOC.

Granted it will be interesting to see how much range drops over time but with you being in Florida I would think the warmer weather would enable you to have 150-170 range most of the year even as battery degradation occurs.

Also consider buying LeafSpy & the appropiate OBD-II dongle to see that there's more range in the car than indicated so you have more buffer than perhaps you're aware of. I personally see 5-6% more actual range but others have reported as much as 10% more range on the low end of the indicated SOC.

That's a lot cheaper than any of your presented options!
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HerdingElectrons
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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Sat May 11, 2019 9:21 am

This is from doing an indicated 59mph with ProPilot & minimal hypermiling in town.

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2018 SL Pearl White 4.5/3.7 Warm/Cold weather

09/2018 @ 1,000 miles: AHr= 114.52 / SOH= 99.20 / HX= 099.70% / 14mV cell delta
04/2019 @ 10,500 miles: Ahr= 111.45 / SOH= 96.54 / HX= 113.82% / 05mV cell delta

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Re: What is your real world range with 40 and 62 KWH?

Sat May 11, 2019 9:57 am

Jerryr wrote:We test drove a Tesla Model 3. I have the same issue getting in and out of the Tesla. I hit my head on the door opening and have to bend my neck uncomfortably. I’m in my early 70’s and 6’ 250 lbs.

I’ll probably take another look at Tesla.

I would. If I had size problems I would focus on used Model S and dump the LEAF and Focus
Or perhaps dump the Focus and Lexus and keep a Model S and LEAF
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