foobert
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Location: Greater Seattle Area

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:08 pm

Thank you all for the thoughts. I'm off this evening to look at a 2017 SL. 28K miles w/ all the options. Private party, original owner and he's not had the BMS update recall applied to it.

See how it goes...
Formerly: 2012 SL

awhile
Posts: 15
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:41 am
Delivery Date: 01 Nov 2018
Leaf Number: 300706
Location: San Diego

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:41 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH. The extra 40K in warranty and the additional range are more than worthwhile. If an 8 bar 24 KWH is adequate for you now then a 7 bar (64%) 30KWH would still have 20 KWH left vs 17 KWH for the 24 KWH battery. In addition, if the 30 KWH battery is at less than 100K mi. and less than 8 yrs. old, you get a free battery! A 2015 is out of warranty in just a few months vs 4 more years for the 2016. Anything older than 2015 is already out of warranty, so you should expect a much lower price vs a 2016 30 KWH.
I agree. That reasoning was how I chose my Leaf. Purchased late last year.

One note. My 2016 SV 30kWh Leaf has 9 bar with 20.5 kWh at full charge according to LeafSpy Pro.

2019-08-26 Full charge:
264 GID's
57.8AH
SOH=72.7%
Hx=42.2%
66328 miles
47 QC and 1440 L1/L2 charges.
Capacity at full charge is 20.5 kWh
SOC=97.7% (it doesn't go higher than this at full charge)
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016.

johnlocke
Posts: 362
Joined: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:47 pm
Delivery Date: 14 Dec 2015
Leaf Number: 300582

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:56 pm

awhile wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:41 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH. The extra 40K in warranty and the additional range are more than worthwhile. If an 8 bar 24 KWH is adequate for you now then a 7 bar (64%) 30KWH would still have 20 KWH left vs 17 KWH for the 24 KWH battery. In addition, if the 30 KWH battery is at less than 100K mi. and less than 8 yrs. old, you get a free battery! A 2015 is out of warranty in just a few months vs 4 more years for the 2016. Anything older than 2015 is already out of warranty, so you should expect a much lower price vs a 2016 30 KWH.
I agree. That reasoning was how I chose my Leaf. Purchased late last year.

One note. My 2016 SV 30kWh Leaf has 9 bar with 20.5 kWh at full charge according to LeafSpy Pro.

2019-08-26 Full charge:
264 GID's
57.8AH
SOH=72.7%
Hx=42.2%
66328 miles
47 QC and 1440 L1/L2 charges.
Capacity at full charge is 20.5 kWh
SOC=97.7% (it doesn't go higher than this at full charge)
Looks like your battery will hit 8 bars by 80000 miles and you'll get a new battery. I can't see that battery making it to 100000 miles in any case. Then you'll get another 80K or more from the new battery. That is just about the best case scenario for a 2016 Leaf.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
San Diego East County

SageBrush
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Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: NM

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:45 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:56 pm
Looks like your battery will hit 8 bars by 80000 miles and you'll get a new battery. I can't see that battery making it to 100000 miles in any case. Then you'll get another 80K or more from the new battery. That is just about the best case scenario for a 2016 Leaf.
Presuming that a software update does not change the trajectory, I also think this is a wise way to go with LEAF
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

HornsKeith
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Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:24 pm
Delivery Date: 06 Mar 2016
Location: Hampton Roads, VA

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am

johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH.
If you can save a few thousand dollars on a nice condition 2015 Lizard, I'd probably go that route since you don't really need the range. The Lizard is so stable compared to unknown quantities like the 30 kW-hr batteries, you can at least rely on known degradation that should serve you well for a long while. We've been happy with ours.

Keith
2015 Leaf SV w/ premium

LeftieBiker
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Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:13 am

HornsKeith wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH.
If you can save a few thousand dollars on a nice condition 2015 Lizard, I'd probably go that route since you don't really need the range. The Lizard is so stable compared to unknown quantities like the 30 kW-hr batteries, you can at least rely on known degradation that should serve you well for a long while. We've been happy with ours.

Keith
I agree.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
BAFX OBDII Dongle
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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