edatoakrun
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Thu May 21, 2015 9:12 am

GRA wrote:...a car with a battery that makes it essentially a 3 year throwaway.

Further evidence that long-term ICE dependence may cause cognitive decline...?

Back on-topic, still no problem for me to make 100+ mile trips in my LEAF in my regular capacity tests, using only the ~88% (from "100%" to ~VLBW) of my total ("100%" to turtle) available capacity, when not restricted by low ambient and battery pack temperatures.

My ~four year old LEAF's first 100+ mile trip of the season was on 4/19/15 when I traveled 102.9 odometer miles, and (more accurately) ~103.4 miles, requiring ~6800 ft. total ascent and descent, as calculated by Google maps, ending at ~VLBW.

I'll eventually write up a more complete update to my last post here:

edatoakrun (page 75) Four more 100+ mile trips since my last posting last Spring on p 71.

That makes 22 total 100+ mile-on-an-"100%"-charge trips on my LEAF (not including the multiple 100+ mile trips utilizing net descent) the last eight made after losing capacity bar 12 last August...

4/19/15 was my last 100+ mile trip with 11 battery bars, as I finally lost the 11th bar ~ 2 weeks ago, during a trip to the Bay area. No problems with range on that trip either, and I never even saw the VLBW.

So, barring unforeseen circumstances, my next 100+ mile drive will be the first from my 10 bar battery.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Thu May 21, 2015 4:02 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
GRA wrote:...a car with a battery that makes it essentially a 3 year throwaway.

Further evidence that long-term ICE dependence may cause cognitive decline...? <snip>
More like the recognition by many former LEAF owners (plus those on their second one) that 3 years is all they can expect the car to meet the transport needs they bought it for, and that the remaining range is so low that the used value is non-existent for most people, as shown by the LEAF having the worst depreciation of any car currently sold in the U.S. (and by Nissan offering up to $5,000 cash for lease buyouts, so they don't have to take the car back).
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Thu May 21, 2015 4:31 pm

My best drive, so far:

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Corrected for tires, that is ~111 miles. It is charging now, and the dash said ~5.6miles/kWh. This was driving four full days this week: 4 commutes to work, and four trips taking my kids over to the school. Warm weather is very nice (though it was pretty chilly on some of the mornings). Today I drove in Eco - I started out this morning with 26 miles showing, which is exactly the round trip to work. Oddly, the number hit 9 miles, and then changed to 3 flashing dashes - not very helpful at the most important time. The picture didn't catch the dashes.

Edit: the charge was 23.0kWh, so the consumption was ~207.24Wh/mile, which is slightly higher than the 206.96 I had on the previous 100+ mile drive.

This is my seventh drive over 100 miles, between our e-Golf (4) and our Leaf (3).

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Sun May 31, 2015 12:25 pm

Hurray! Thanks to warming weather, a challenging gap between chargers, and Tony's mileage chart, I pulled a 105 mile trip and ended with 13%SOC remaining. My fallback plan was to alter route at 50% point if needed. When I reached that point with 47%SOC, I decided to push through with further reduced speeds getting easier as the traffic decreased after 8PM. With much of the last half at 35MPH, she reports 6.4mi/kWh for the journey from Mason City IA, to Ames IA.

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Sun May 31, 2015 12:29 pm

kikngas wrote:Hurray! Thanks to warming weather, a challenging gap between chargers, and Tony's mileage chart, I pulled a 105 mile trip and ended with 13%SOC remaining. My fallback plan was to alter route at 50% point if needed. When I reached that point with 47%SOC, I decided to push through with further reduced speeds getting easier as the traffic decreased after 8PM. With much of the last half at 35MPH, she reports 6.4mi/kWh for the journey from Mason City IA, to Ames IA.

You should have kept going for another 20 miles so you could have joined the 200km club. With 13% SOC you should have had plenty to complete the range. If it were me, I would have just continued until it was completely empty just to see how many miles I could get.

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Sun May 31, 2015 4:54 pm

I'm going to wait for the MY16 ;)
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:41 pm

evnow wrote:I'm going to wait for the MY16 ;)
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:27 pm

I think I've read all of the pertinent information, but still am not sure if the answer is here. The instance and question: Recently on a long highway trip about 180 km, with a 30 minute stop to top up to 90%, I made it home with a 300' climb about 3 km from home. I got home with no bars, no percent, three dashes and no turtle. Do the three dashes go to 2 dashes, then 1 dash before the turtle? How close was I to being stranded? How much range did I have left? Next time, I'll stop off at the CHAdeMO top up to 85%, then move to the L2 till I'm 100%. The CHAdeMO stopped at 85% with the temperature error message.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:33 am

Scoutniagara wrote:I think I've read all of the pertinent information, but still am not sure if the answer is here. The instance and question: Recently on a long highway trip about 180 km, with a 30 minute stop to top up to 90%, I made it home with a 300' climb about 3 km from home. I got home with no bars, no percent, three dashes and no turtle. Do the three dashes go to 2 dashes, then 1 dash before the turtle? How close was I to being stranded? How much range did I have left? Next time, I'll stop off at the CHAdeMO top up to 85%, then move to the L2 till I'm 100%. The CHAdeMO stopped at 85% with the temperature error message.
No, the three dashes remain until the car turtles or shuts down.

A good way to estimate the range left is to reset a trip meter at Low Battery Warning (LBW: flashing GOM number). Then when you hit Very Low Battery Warning (VLBW: flashing ---) you have about half that distance left until turtle.

LBW happens at 49 Gids (about 3.9 kWh), VLBW happens at 24 Gids (about 1.9 kWh) and turtle should happen in the 4-7 Gid range (about 0.3 to 0.6 kWh); turtle varies with battery balancing and other characteristics.

I use 10 Gids as the lower limit of my comfort zone. So, LBW to VLBW is 2 kWh and VLBW to 10 Gids is a bit more than 1 kWh. If you are getting 6.5 km/kWh you ought to be able to go 13 km from LBW to VLBW and about 6.5 km from VLBW to 10-12 Gids, or a bit more to turtle. A climb up a hill, as you describe, will knock those numbers down somewhat.

If you want more detailed information about using the lower end of the battery you should consider an aftermarket meter, such as Leaf Spy. Then you will have more accurate information about "how much is left" and have increased comfort in using all of the battery.
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !!!!

Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:58 pm

dgpcolorado wrote:
Scoutniagara wrote:I think I've read all of the pertinent information, but still am not sure if the answer is here. The instance and question: Recently on a long highway trip about 180 km, with a 30 minute stop to top up to 90%, I made it home with a 300' climb about 3 km from home. I got home with no bars, no percent, three dashes and no turtle. Do the three dashes go to 2 dashes, then 1 dash before the turtle? How close was I to being stranded? How much range did I have left? Next time, I'll stop off at the CHAdeMO top up to 85%, then move to the L2 till I'm 100%. The CHAdeMO stopped at 85% with the temperature error message.
No, the three dashes remain until the car turtles or shuts down.

A good way to estimate the range left is to reset a trip meter at Low Battery Warning (LBW: flashing GOM number). Then when you hit Very Low Battery Warning (VLBW: flashing ---) you have about half that distance left until turtle.

LBW happens at 49 Gids (about 3.9 kWh), VLBW happens at 24 Gids (about 1.9 kWh) and turtle should happen in the 4-7 Gid range (about 0.3 to 0.6 kWh); turtle varies with battery balancing and other characteristics.

I use 10 Gids as the lower limit of my comfort zone. So, LBW to VLBW is 2 kWh and VLBW to 10 Gids is a bit more than 1 kWh. If you are getting 6.5 km/kWh you ought to be able to go 13 km from LBW to VLBW and about 6.5 km from VLBW to 10-12 Gids, or a bit more to turtle. A climb up a hill, as you describe, will knock those numbers down somewhat.

If you want more detailed information about using the lower end of the battery you should consider an aftermarket meter, such as Leaf Spy. Then you will have more accurate information about "how much is left" and have increased comfort in using all of the battery.
You must have edited from miles/kWh to km/kWh from original post, anyway not to be off topic see my post from 1 year ago: LBW to turtle 42.5 km viewtopic.php?f=46&t=17164 . I was not equipped with Leaf Spy at that time but the mileage is correct, the accumulated charge was read off the evse so I know now that it was less at the battery. My leaf is a 13 and Scoutniagara's looks like a 14, bottom end is larger I think in later models. Lithy is now 2 (and finally paid for) so I am due for another turtle run within a few weeks to check. Will post results on a separate thread at that time.
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