Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:01 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
My sister has. She bought a used 2016 with 4 bars lost back in early July (I encouraged her to, with the expectation that she'd get a new battery before the warranty expired). Got the BMS updated near the end of July, which only restored 3 of the 4 bars. She was seeing much improved range (from what it was at 4 bars down). Then in mid August, she lost her 2nd bar. Will need to take a leafSpy reading to see when we can expect to see the 3rd bar to disappear.

I'd be very interested to hear the results on that. Also, any estimates on how much her range improved. In any case, with two bars down already she should qualify for a replacement battery soon. two bars down should put her at 73-75% SOH. She only needs to lose 10% more to qualify for a new battery and has 5 years to do it.


Interestingly enough, she's at 77.73% SOH

@ SOC 56.3% - 61.78 AHr, 369.80V, 51.06% Hx

She told me that she recently changed her charging behaviour (used to QC near starbucks every other day), so that SOH might've gone up these past few weeks.
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333

johnlocke
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:27 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
johnlocke wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:

I'd be very interested to hear the results on that. Also, any estimates on how much her range improved. In any case, with two bars down already she should qualify for a replacement battery soon. two bars down should put her at 73-75% SOH. She only needs to lose 10% more to qualify for a new battery and has 5 years to do it.


Interestingly enough, she's at 77.73% SOH

@ SOC 56.3% - 61.78 AHr, 369.80V, 51.06% Hx

She told me that she recently changed her charging behaviour (used to QC near starbucks every other day), so that SOH might've gone up these past few weeks.

If she was only QC'ing before, the battery wouldn't have time to balance the cells. I'd advise her to to do a level 2 at least once a week just to balance the battery. If she's now at 77.73%, did she get the second bar back?
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:34 am

johnlocke wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
johnlocke wrote:I'd be very interested to hear the results on that. Also, any estimates on how much her range improved. In any case, with two bars down already she should qualify for a replacement battery soon. two bars down should put her at 73-75% SOH. She only needs to lose 10% more to qualify for a new battery and has 5 years to do it.


Interestingly enough, she's at 77.73% SOH

@ SOC 56.3% - 61.78 AHr, 369.80V, 51.06% Hx

She told me that she recently changed her charging behaviour (used to QC near starbucks every other day), so that SOH might've gone up these past few weeks.

If she was only QC'ing before, the battery wouldn't have time to balance the cells. I'd advise her to to do a level 2 at least once a week just to balance the battery. If she's now at 77.73%, did she get the second bar back?


Nope, second bar is still gone.

Edit: I helped her install a L5-20 (240v) circuit last month, so she's been charging L2 exclusively since then. She drives 60 miles daily, but in traffic, so ends up with 30% remaining charge.
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333

EVforRobert
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:22 pm

Looks like the battery is close to its original range at 23,000 miles.
Drove from full charge on L2 to 10% SOC Leaf Spy 106 miles. 36 mile trip in the afternoon. 4.1 mi/kWh on a 70 mile airport run in the evening with the defroster on. Three people and luggage to go and just me back.
It is a black car and never garaged with brand new OEM Ecopia tires set to door sticker pressures.
When I do the run again in reverse I will clean the windows so the defroster won’t be needed and will add some more PSI and see if I do better.
2015 SV LED + Quickcharge returned
2016 S 30kWh Mfg 9/16 82.34 AHr 4 miles. 5/18 69.71 AHr SOH 87.71 20618 mi
after PC6300 AHr 74.70 SOH 93.98 (94.24 SOH 10 days later)

vthokia
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:08 pm

I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:51 pm

vthokia wrote:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.


don't know if litigation will do you any good, but at 10 bars, you're not too far off from re-qualifying for the replacement.

As for not being able to commute with that capacity, how were you able to commute when it first lost the 4th bar? You should still get roughly the same range (assuming your driving style and weather didn't change significantly) as when you had lost 3 bars.
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333

SageBrush
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Sep 20, 2018 5:25 pm

vthokia wrote:This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

A new 30 kWh LEAF has about 28 kWh usable, and at 10 bars you should have no less than 28*0.7 = 19.6 kWh usable.

If your range really is 62.5 miles then your consumption is ~ 3 miles per kWh.
Fix that. It is probably the nut behind the steering wheel* but check your tyres.

* Nut fixes:
Stop driving aggressively
Slow down
Take it easy with A/C. Learn to use ventilation, shade, and sun shades to advantage.
Stay more comfortable in the heat with ice water
Use seat heaters instead of cabin heating in the cold
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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vthokia
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:15 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
vthokia wrote:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.


don't know if litigation will do you any good, but at 10 bars, you're not too far off from re-qualifying for the replacement.


As for not being able to commute with that capacity, how were you able to commute when it first lost the 4th bar? You should still get roughly the same range (assuming your driving style and weather didn't change significantly) as when you had lost 3 bars.



I believe they have changed the Algorithm to calculate the Capacity Bars with their latest BMS Update. So it is going to take much longer to loose that 4th bar. I am going to call them Today and ask if I can get the information on that change.

I was taking internal roads and avoid freeways, that helped. I was expecting that after I loose the 4th bar, I will get a new battery.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:17 am

SageBrush wrote:
vthokia wrote:This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

A new 30 kWh LEAF has about 28 kWh usable, and at 10 bars you should have no less than 28*0.7 = 19.6 kWh usable.

If your range really is 62.5 miles then your consumption is ~ 3 miles per kWh.
Fix that. It is probably the nut behind the steering wheel* but check your tyres.

* Nut fixes:
Stop driving aggressively
Slow down
Take it easy with A/C. Learn to use ventilation, shade, and sun shades to advantage.
Stay more comfortable in the heat with ice water
Use seat heaters instead of cabin heating in the cold


I am actually very responsible driver. Didn't get any ticket in last 10 years. I live in Phoenix so can't do anything about A/C.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:58 am

vthokia wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
vthokia wrote:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.


don't know if litigation will do you any good, but at 10 bars, you're not too far off from re-qualifying for the replacement.


As for not being able to commute with that capacity, how were you able to commute when it first lost the 4th bar? You should still get roughly the same range (assuming your driving style and weather didn't change significantly) as when you had lost 3 bars.



I believe they have changed the Algorithm to calculate the Capacity Bars with their latest BMS Update. So it is going to take much longer to loose that 4th bar. I am going to call them Today and ask if I can get the information on that change.

I was taking internal roads and avoid freeways, that helped. I was expecting that after I loose the 4th bar, I will get a new battery.


Not true.

**The BMS was not updated. It was the LBC

**The forth bar will disappear on the same schedule it was "supposed" to disappear before.
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