ziltoid
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:29 pm

Hey all, I've got my brand spanking new replacement battery installed now and I'm wondering what other's have experienced in terms of new battery performance.

At full charge I'm hitting 274 GIDs (97.5%) and 91.2% SOC. Why is the SOC lower than the GIDs? Does that make sense?

Also, does it take a few weeks to break in? I'm using the standard L1 charger if that makes a difference.

sub3marathonman
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Location: Bartow, FL

Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:03 pm

TimLee wrote:
Leaftogo1 wrote:Drop of My Leaf off this morning at Giwentt Nissan, got free loaner car, ETA new battery to dealership two days. Should have car back by Friday. 2015 is the Lizard battery to be installed. Get new 5yr 60k mile 4 bar loss warranty restart. Uh, Awesome,,,

I don't think your dealer knows what they are talking about.
A few people hit the production cycle for 2011/2012 batteries real lucky and got it in two to three weeks.
Most were four to six weeks.
Be an absolute miracle if the dealer gets it in two days.


I'm in the club!!! :D Well, at least the scheduled to be replaced under warranty club. It had lost 7 capacity bars (5 remaining) at 59980, so there wasn't much of a question there.

The dealer where I took it too, Hill Nissan in Winter Haven, just scheduled me for Thursday 9/29, after having confirmed the warranty was met on 9/16. They said the battery came in on 9/22, and at least in some of Nissan's major parts hubs, of which Orlando is one, they have a stockpile of batteries now and replacement is within just a few days.

I would have been OK waiting for the 6 to 8 weeks, since by then in Florida the daytime highs might be under 90.

Gleebob
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:03 pm

davewill wrote:
Gleebob wrote:Thank you ikkms2. I called Nissan customer support just a little bit ago. They answered right away and knew who I was by my phone number. I explained the situation and they were able to see that I had a warranty case open and my battery was on order. The battery should arrive early October. The weird thing was that they showed the dealership ordered the battery on August 19 which is almost two months after I had brought the car in for service. I had brought the car in on June 21, 2016. The rep said typically, it's about 6 to 8 weeks to replace a battery.

It's a bit irritating that they waited so long to order the battery. But I am very glad that it's on it's way. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

So the rats forgot to order it the first time, and when you called to check (Hey Bob! Did you order that LEAF battery? Shoot Jim, I thought you ordered it! Mr. Gleebob, it looks like the factory is taking longer than we thought...) they ordered it THEN without telling you that they had made a mistake. What slimeballs.


The dealership definitely did not distinguish themselves in this case. But on the bright side, I won't have to submit the new battery to a Las Vegas summer. This Leaf is the best car I've ever been satisfied with and I plan to keep it as long as possible.

TimLee
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:36 am

ziltoid wrote:...
At full charge I'm hitting 274 GIDs (97.5%) and 91.2% SOC. Why is the SOC lower than the GIDs? Does that make sense?

Also, does it take a few weeks to break in? I'm using the standard L1 charger if that makes a difference.

My experience is similar.
Been installed seven weeks.
Not too many miles yet.
The mV cell pair differential is still high around 26.
It is doing a lot of balancing but slow to get well balanced.

You have to remember SOC is theoretical.
While % GIDS is more % of what Nissan allows.

So on new pack SOC is lower than %GIDS when fully charged.

Using L1 should be better on balancing.
I've been L2 and three or four DCQC.
Hated to see those >100F temps on new pack.

Tim Lee
Chattanooga, TN

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solartim
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:33 pm

We finally lost our bar two months out of warranty. Opened an appeal with corporate, and no dice, they offered us friends and family pricing on a new vehicle within 30 days. What a crock!!

Here are the numbers when it finally went:
Ahr 42.87, SOH 65, Hx 44.21, V 392.26, SOC 94.9, Mileage 52325, 14 QC, 3214 L1&2 charges.

beekeeper
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:09 am

Lost the 4th bar at 56,196 miles and ~58 months on our 2012 Leaf SL (delivered in 12/2011). Dealer did a battery check (all 5 stars) and Nissan approved a new battery. The following was the information given to me by Nissan EV Customer Service today: The batteries are built on order, and may take up to 12 weeks to build. This is a new 24 kWh battery, corresponding to what is placed in the 2016 Nissan Leaf S-model (not the 30 kWh battery used in 2016 SV / SL).
2012 Leaf SL - delivered 12/3/2011
1st bar lost: 20 months; 23,513 miles
2nd bar lost: 32 months; 39,333 miles
3rd bar lost: 44 months; 46,625 miles
4th bar lost: 58 months; 56,196 miles

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Marktm
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:28 am

Marktm wrote:Just heard this week that I will get a replacement battery - in 12 to 14 weeks. It took over a week to confirm the "8 bar replacement". The dealer sent me the battery "data" that was used for the confirmation. It was nothing more than the "5 star" rating sheet that showed the GOM with 8 bars and all the ratings - which were all 5 stars. This works well for me as I'd like for the weather to cool down before the install.


Purchased the LELink OBDII dongle and LeafSpy Pro. All hooked up and worked immediately - no issues whatsoever!
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drees
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:28 am

solartim wrote:We finally lost our bar two months out of warranty. Opened an appeal with corporate, and no dice, they offered us friends and family pricing on a new vehicle within 30 days. What a crock!!

Hey, that's more than they offered me!
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:28 am

drees wrote:
solartim wrote:We finally lost our bar two months out of warranty. Opened an appeal with corporate, and no dice, they offered us friends and family pricing on a new vehicle within 30 days. What a crock!!

Hey, that's more than they offered me!



Hi Drees,
How many months did you miss out? What did Nissan offer you?

Hi Solartim,
What is this "friends and family" pricing on a new vehicle within 30 days? Did Nissan also offered you a trade-in value with that pricing?

So, we've lost the 4th bar on our Silver Leaf yesterday. I have a question surrounding the battery degradation situation, and our 2 Leafs which were purchased at the same time, brand new. We think our Blue Leaf will likely experience the same degradation and will surely lose the 4th bar in a week or so. Both cars were driven/charged differently, but parked in the same household; and yet, the battery lost the 4th bar as the same time....

What are our chances if we took Nissan to BBB and argued that in the use case where we're a two Leaf household, and wanted to prove a point that the battery was inferior to begin with 5 years ago, and their product marketing was misleading customers?

Would like to see anyone's opinion/views on this for a 2 Leaf household, with different driving patterns/charging patterns and yet, we arrived at the same 4th bar loss around the same time. (Note: Haven't lost the 4th bar on our 2nd Leaf yet, but real soon)

See battery data on 2 Leafs:
viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12789&start=790#p472355

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drees
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:24 am

mxp wrote:How many months did you miss out?

2 months.

mxp wrote:What did Nissan offer you?

They offered that I take a hike and drag my "normal" LEAF with me.
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