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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:32 pm

sandeen wrote:Dealer called back and pointedly said "it will not be a new battery pack, you might only get 10 bars" - I'm hoping he's just quoting back the warranty terms (of which I'm aware), and not some specific info from Nissan about this case; AFAIK everyone who's had a replacement has received a full capacity battery. Surely that won't stop now, right? :)

Go ahead and get No-Gas-EV involved - save yourself the heartache of this dealer trying to pull a fast one.
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4BL: 06/29/13 @ 27 months, 43,520 miles, 42.56 Ahr. New 12 bar battery: 09/09/13
4BLx2:12/31/16 @ 69 months, 99,475 miles, 42.99 Ahr.

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:26 pm

jhm614 wrote:Go ahead and get No-Gas-EV involved - save yourself the heartache of this dealer trying to pull a fast one.

I really don't think they are, but I guess I can trust but verify. I did mention that every case I'd heard of, and I'd heard of many, were restored to full capacity.
2012 SL from TX, (mfg 8/12), used, dropped to 8 bars at 43.50 Ahr, 40,601 miles. my daily stats =/= my collected data on 4-bar losers

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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:41 am

jhm614 wrote:
sandeen wrote:Dealer called back and pointedly said "it will not be a new battery pack, you might only get 10 bars" - I'm hoping he's just quoting back the warranty terms (of which I'm aware), and not some specific info from Nissan about this case; AFAIK everyone who's had a replacement has received a full capacity battery. Surely that won't stop now, right? :)

Go ahead and get No-Gas-EV involved - save yourself the heartache of this dealer trying to pull a fast one.


The dealer that warranty replaced my battery let me take pictures of the (new) battery shipping containers before installation and then took a number of pics of the actual replacement and gave them to me. It was verified to be the new "Lizard" type. I find it hard to believe any dealer gets such information that it might be a "ten bar" battery, or used, or had cells replaced, etc,etc unless they had conversations directly with Nissans warranty group about a specific serial numbered battery. If so, it could be the start of new policy, but where would they get such batteries? - unless they are removing from leased vehicles that are returned. Would that even make sense from a cost perspective? Please do find out what you can and let us know. I'm looking at every Leaf that has a good potential for warranty battery replacement for a number of interested individuals. This could dramatically affect that effort!
2012 Leaf SL; 36,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:48 am

I plan on checking with NO GAS EV after it gets ordered to see what they shipped. If I ask before hand they may just restate the warranty terms, but when it's shipped I'd hope they can tell me what's actually in the box, at that point it's reflecting reality, not making promises.
I honestly think this was just a service advisor who was new to the game, and was reiterating the minimum requirements as stated in the warranty - I wouldn't read too much into it at this point.
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:17 am

I called the parts department today for a mundane question (re: floor mats) and got the parts manager, he figured out that it was my LEAF in for battery replacement and got all excited and geeked out on the parts, the LEAF, the process, "yeah we replaced a couple cells before but never a whole battery! Yeah, I took one of the old cells apart because I was curious, it was like filled with gel and stuff ..." :shock: ) :)

Anyway, he said they got the bill for the new battery, which means it must have shipped, and that there were 16 (!) in stock in the Chicago area warehouse. So yeah, I think I'm getting a new battery (despite service advisor's pedantic warnings); the guy spit out the part number, and I didn't catch it all but i think he said 295B0-9RB9D, close to what mxp reported, and hopefully will get it back next week.
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:03 pm

Got the car back - everything looks good. 12 bars, haven't hit full charge yet to see what the GOM says, but LeafSpy says 66.14Ahr like everybody else has seen, Hx is slightly below 100%. The whole process was very smooth, took about a week. Got the telematics updated too, $199 later that works just fine as well. (Hope it's semi-useful, it sure is slow...) Now for some new tires and we should have a nice long useful life from this car.
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:15 pm

sandeen wrote:Got the car back - everything looks good. 12 bars, haven't hit full charge yet to see what the GOM says, but LeafSpy says 66.14Ahr like everybody else has seen, Hx is slightly below 100%. The whole process was very smooth, took about a week. Got the telematics updated too, $199 later that works just fine as well. (Hope it's semi-useful, it sure is slow...) Now for some new tires and we should have a nice long useful life from this car.


Great to hear. Thanks! Looking forward to reading about the real world mileage.
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:55 am

After looking over some of the service codes on my job sheet (should I post a pic?) I found the service bulletin for the battery replacement procedure. I hadn't seen reference to this before, so linking it here in case it's useful.

Edit: Oh, man - rework instructions.
b. With a drill bit, enlarge the bolt holes indicated in Figure 2
c. Cover the newly exposed metal with a zinc rich paint to prevent corrosion.
- After the paint has dried and before assembling the brackets to the new HV battery, Bitumen wax will also be applied to these areas.

I'm sure that happened! :)
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:59 pm

Huh, Ahr already down to 65.67 after 1 day; easily the largest 1-day drop I've seen on this car - by a factor of 2. Not going to look this gift horse in the mouth too much, really - but that's interesting.

I suppose it's calibrating to a battery that may have been on the shelf for a while...? Meh, I was looking forward to putting LeafSpy away for a while. ;)
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Re: The Battery Replacement Thread

Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:11 pm

sandeen wrote:Huh, Ahr already down to 65.67 after 1 day; easily the largest 1-day drop I've seen on this car - by a factor of 2. Not going to look this gift horse in the mouth too much, really - but that's interesting.

I suppose it's calibrating to a battery that may have been on the shelf for a while...? Meh, I was looking forward to putting LeafSpy away for a while. ;)


Would not pay much attention to short term changes - mine did very similar antics for the first 6 months. The worry I have is that there are 10 or so cells that have consistently been the cause of 25 to 35mv max deltas in cell voltages. However, the "degradation" has been (grosso modo) around .45 to .48 ahrs/month - essentially the same as the "old" battery that was replaced - over it's 4 year life..
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