hmmwv
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:30 pm

Finally dropped my first bar, 43,125 miles, 54.85 AHr, SOH 83%, Hx79% . This is over two months after my SOH dropped below 85%.
2013 LEAF SL w/Premium Pkg, Brilliant Silver, 43,125 miles, LeafSpy: 54.85 AHr, SOH 83%, Hx79% as of 09/23/2017, 11 bars

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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:03 pm

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=24697 on Oct 8, 2017 reported a bar lost the day before:
leafdriving wrote:I lost my first bar yesterday. Kinda bummed out since I didn’t expect it to happen so soon.
Here’s what I get from LeafSpy Lite:
AHr= 54.98 SOH= 84% SOC= 70.9% Hx= 81.09% 384.78V -0.45A odo= 23,798 3 QCs & 1417 L1/L2s

The build date is 10/13 and I bought it used in February of this year. I don’t drive much; I’ve only put 2900 miles on it since I bought it and I have to admit I baby the car. The car’s original owner lived in Cupertino, CA and I’m in east bay (SF bay area). I don’t know much else about the previous owner’s habits other than location and what LeafSpy provided me today. I also assume he always charged it to 100% since the “Long-life mode” was turned off when I got it.

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baustin
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:11 am

Oct 12, 2017
Fourth bar finally dropped on the way home after running some errands. Plugged it in to charge and then took a reading. Appointment to start warranty replacement scheduled for 17 October 2017.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, the third bar in November 2016, and the fourth bar in October 2017.

Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.17, SOH=58%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2176
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.60, SOH=59%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2175
Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
May 15, 2017 - AHr=40.96, SOH=62%, Hx=55.96%, odo=25,169 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1989
Jan 09, 2017 - AHr=42.69, SOH=65%, Hx=58.59%, odo=24,787 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1874
Jun 24, 2016 - AHr=47.74, SOH=73%, Hx=66.57%, odo=23,745 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1569
Apr 24, 2016 - AHr=48.58, SOH=74%, Hx=68.12%, odo=23,323 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1478
Feb 23, 2016 - AHr=50.11, SOH=76%, Hx=70.96%, odo=22,874 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1393
Dec 30, 2015 - AHr=51.40, SOH=78%, Hx=73.35%, odo=22,503 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1302
Oct 11, 2015 - AHr=52.06, SOH=79%, Hx=74.56%, odo=21,536 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1145
Jul 24, 2015 - AHr=55.14, SOH=84%, Hx=80.29%, odo=19,765 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=926
May 16, 2015 - AHr=57.28, SOH=87%, Hx=84.50%, odo=19,338 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=788
Mar 27, 2015 - AHr=58.57, SOH=89%, Hx=87.04%, odo=18,539 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=701
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:53 am

You made it! Hope the replacement goes smoothly, and looking forward to the LeafSpy reports on the new battery degradation. :D
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:22 am

baustin wrote:Oct 12, 2017
Fourth bar finally dropped on the way home after running some errands. Plugged it in to charge and then took a reading. Appointment to start warranty replacement scheduled for 17 October 2017.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, the third bar in November 2016, and the fourth bar in October 2017.

Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.17, SOH=58%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2176
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.60, SOH=59%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2175
Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
May 15, 2017 - AHr=40.96, SOH=62%, Hx=55.96%, odo=25,169 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1989
Jan 09, 2017 - AHr=42.69, SOH=65%, Hx=58.59%, odo=24,787 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1874
Jun 24, 2016 - AHr=47.74, SOH=73%, Hx=66.57%, odo=23,745 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1569
Apr 24, 2016 - AHr=48.58, SOH=74%, Hx=68.12%, odo=23,323 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1478
Feb 23, 2016 - AHr=50.11, SOH=76%, Hx=70.96%, odo=22,874 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1393
Dec 30, 2015 - AHr=51.40, SOH=78%, Hx=73.35%, odo=22,503 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1302
Oct 11, 2015 - AHr=52.06, SOH=79%, Hx=74.56%, odo=21,536 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1145
Jul 24, 2015 - AHr=55.14, SOH=84%, Hx=80.29%, odo=19,765 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=926
May 16, 2015 - AHr=57.28, SOH=87%, Hx=84.50%, odo=19,338 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=788
Mar 27, 2015 - AHr=58.57, SOH=89%, Hx=87.04%, odo=18,539 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=701


ahr of 36? That seems lower than the norm? or not?
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:52 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
baustin wrote:Oct 12, 2017
Fourth bar finally dropped on the way home after running some errands. Plugged it in to charge and then took a reading. Appointment to start warranty replacement scheduled for 17 October 2017.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, the third bar in November 2016, and the fourth bar in October 2017.

Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.17, SOH=58%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2176
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.60, SOH=59%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2175
Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
May 15, 2017 - AHr=40.96, SOH=62%, Hx=55.96%, odo=25,169 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1989
Jan 09, 2017 - AHr=42.69, SOH=65%, Hx=58.59%, odo=24,787 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1874
Jun 24, 2016 - AHr=47.74, SOH=73%, Hx=66.57%, odo=23,745 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1569
Apr 24, 2016 - AHr=48.58, SOH=74%, Hx=68.12%, odo=23,323 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1478
Feb 23, 2016 - AHr=50.11, SOH=76%, Hx=70.96%, odo=22,874 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1393
Dec 30, 2015 - AHr=51.40, SOH=78%, Hx=73.35%, odo=22,503 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1302
Oct 11, 2015 - AHr=52.06, SOH=79%, Hx=74.56%, odo=21,536 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1145
Jul 24, 2015 - AHr=55.14, SOH=84%, Hx=80.29%, odo=19,765 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=926
May 16, 2015 - AHr=57.28, SOH=87%, Hx=84.50%, odo=19,338 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=788
Mar 27, 2015 - AHr=58.57, SOH=89%, Hx=87.04%, odo=18,539 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=701


ahr of 36? That seems lower than the norm? or not?


It is the lowest, that I am aware of, for dropping the fourth bar. Most of them seem to drop between 41 and 43. I was starting to get concerned, since I expected it to drop months ago, and the five years is up next February. The battery is very-well balanced, and I have not driven it as much this summer, as in the past, due to the decreased range. It might have dropped sooner, if I had been driving it more.
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:39 pm

baustin wrote:Oct 12, 2017
Fourth bar finally dropped on the way home after running some errands. Plugged it in to charge and then took a reading. Appointment to start warranty replacement scheduled for 17 October 2017.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, the third bar in November 2016, and the fourth bar in October 2017.

Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.17, SOH=58%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2176
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.60, SOH=59%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2175
Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
May 15, 2017 - AHr=40.96, SOH=62%, Hx=55.96%, odo=25,169 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1989
Jan 09, 2017 - AHr=42.69, SOH=65%, Hx=58.59%, odo=24,787 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1874
Jun 24, 2016 - AHr=47.74, SOH=73%, Hx=66.57%, odo=23,745 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1569
Apr 24, 2016 - AHr=48.58, SOH=74%, Hx=68.12%, odo=23,323 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1478
Feb 23, 2016 - AHr=50.11, SOH=76%, Hx=70.96%, odo=22,874 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1393
Dec 30, 2015 - AHr=51.40, SOH=78%, Hx=73.35%, odo=22,503 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1302
Oct 11, 2015 - AHr=52.06, SOH=79%, Hx=74.56%, odo=21,536 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1145
Jul 24, 2015 - AHr=55.14, SOH=84%, Hx=80.29%, odo=19,765 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=926
May 16, 2015 - AHr=57.28, SOH=87%, Hx=84.50%, odo=19,338 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=788
Mar 27, 2015 - AHr=58.57, SOH=89%, Hx=87.04%, odo=18,539 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=701


How often do you recharge ? By your data it looks improbably frequent.

By the way, I graphed your data. No obvious rhyme or reason to when you lost capacity

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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:10 am

SageBrush wrote:
baustin wrote:Oct 12, 2017
Fourth bar finally dropped on the way home after running some errands. Plugged it in to charge and then took a reading. Appointment to start warranty replacement scheduled for 17 October 2017.

The vehicle was manufactured in January 2013, spent it first two years in Georgia, was auctioned after lease return and brought to Las Vegas. I got it in March 2015. It dropped the first bar in October 2015, the second bar in June 2016, the third bar in November 2016, and the fourth bar in October 2017.

Oct 12, 2017 - AHr=36.81, SOH=56%, Hx=49.75%, odo=25,670 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2242
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.17, SOH=58%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2176
Sep 15, 2017 - AHr=38.60, SOH=59%, Hx=51.70%, odo=25,517 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2175
Aug 12, 2017 - AHr=39.25, SOH=60%, Hx=53.34%, odo=25,451 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=2119
May 15, 2017 - AHr=40.96, SOH=62%, Hx=55.96%, odo=25,169 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1989
Jan 09, 2017 - AHr=42.69, SOH=65%, Hx=58.59%, odo=24,787 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1874
Jun 24, 2016 - AHr=47.74, SOH=73%, Hx=66.57%, odo=23,745 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1569
Apr 24, 2016 - AHr=48.58, SOH=74%, Hx=68.12%, odo=23,323 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1478
Feb 23, 2016 - AHr=50.11, SOH=76%, Hx=70.96%, odo=22,874 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1393
Dec 30, 2015 - AHr=51.40, SOH=78%, Hx=73.35%, odo=22,503 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1302
Oct 11, 2015 - AHr=52.06, SOH=79%, Hx=74.56%, odo=21,536 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=1145
Jul 24, 2015 - AHr=55.14, SOH=84%, Hx=80.29%, odo=19,765 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=926
May 16, 2015 - AHr=57.28, SOH=87%, Hx=84.50%, odo=19,338 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=788
Mar 27, 2015 - AHr=58.57, SOH=89%, Hx=87.04%, odo=18,539 miles, QC=4 L1/L2=701


How often do you recharge ? By your data it looks improbably frequent.

By the way, I graphed your data. No obvious rhyme or reason to when you lost capacity

Image


I have it set to charge every day, but it is on a timer, so it counts once when plugged in and once again when the charging timer activates (even if the battery doesn't need charged).

The vehicle was made in January 2013, so the cells inside the battery are the 2012 chemistry. The change in environment, bringing it to Las Vegas, accelerated the degradation. There appears to be a distance component to the bar dropping algorithm in the Leaf. I drove it a lot during the first two years, and not as much this year, which seems to have delayed the drop. I expected it to happen months ago, and it may have, if I had been driving it more.
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:16 am

^^^
Yep, as baustin notes, there are quirks w/the L1/L2 count. I usually point folks to viewtopic.php?p=452126#p452126 on that.

Congrats on making it in time w/the crap chemistry! You will be yet another hot climate data point for the (hopefully) lizard battery.

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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:21 am

baustin wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
How often do you recharge ? By your data it looks improbably frequent.

I have it set to charge every day, but it is on a timer, so it counts once when plugged in and once again when the charging timer activates (even if the battery doesn't need charged).

The vehicle was made in January 2013, so the cells inside the battery are the 2012 chemistry. The change in environment, bringing it to Las Vegas, accelerated the degradation. There appears to be a distance component to the bar dropping algorithm in the Leaf. I drove it a lot during the first two years, and not as much this year, which seems to have delayed the drop. I expected it to happen months ago, and it may have, if I had been driving it more.

Charges up to 80 or 100% every day ?
Thanks for the charge counter tip. That probably explains why I sometimes see unusually high counts in other posts.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

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