SeasonsAfter
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Delivery Date: 21 Feb 2015

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:23 pm

Thanks for the response, I thought I was correct that my Leaf 's battery is classified as the Canary type.

If any 2013 Leaf owners have dropped their 4th bar, I'd like to know what numbers you are showing through Leaf Spy. These number drops might be different from the 2011 and 2012 models.

It would peak my curiosity what these early 2013 Leafs are dropping the 4th bar but can't find much on the wiki battery site as most of the information is 2011 and 2012 models. Other later builds of 2013s don't seem to be having the degradation issues as much as the earlier EV adopters.

Any 2013 1/2013-3/2013 manufacture date numbers anyone can share? I would imagine this is a pretty specific request, any information would be most helpful!

Thanks for all the forum comments and suggestions.
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 46.94
SOH 71%
Hx 65.09%
33k on ODO
204 GIDs on full charge

mtndrew1
Posts: 196
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:52 am
Location: Gardena CA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:46 pm

I dropped my 4th bar about two weeks ago and I’m waiting on my new battery to come in. Build date of 01/2013.

From my post on the previous page:

“Today at lunch it dropped the fourth bar after a quick charge. The stats have been bouncing around a bit since I’ve had the car (Ah range of 41.58 to 42.65, SOH 63-65%) but at the bar drop LeafSpy read 42.60Ah/65%SOH/58.45%Hx with 15 QCs and 1367 L1/L2 at 37,254 miles. ”
2013 Nissan Leaf S + QC

2015 Kia Soul EV+ Lease returned 10/14/17 45,000 miles w/ 13.8% degradation.

SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:33 pm

Thanks for the details on your 4th bar drop. Congrats! I wish I had the quick charger feature; I might be able to degrade it before the warranty expires.

:evil:
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 46.94
SOH 71%
Hx 65.09%
33k on ODO
204 GIDs on full charge

bwatl
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:44 am
Delivery Date: 10 Jan 2016
Leaf Number: 406029
Location: Atlanta, GA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:53 pm

I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?


Current Leaf Spy readings:
AHr=46.71
SOH= 71%
Hx= 64.72%
39 QCs
2839 L1/L2s
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Brian
2013 Leaf SL (White, Premium, LED, AA_cam purchased 10/1/2016)
2013 Leaf SV (Grey, Premium, QC+LED, AA_cam, 2 year lease returned 12/1/2015)
2012 Volt (Silver, 3 year lease returned 10/1/2015)

mtndrew1
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Location: Gardena CA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:17 pm

Yes, it should be exactly five years from the day it was first sold.

You can call 877-NOGASEV and they will verify the date of expiration based on VIN.
2013 Nissan Leaf S + QC

2015 Kia Soul EV+ Lease returned 10/14/17 45,000 miles w/ 13.8% degradation.

DaveinOlyWA
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Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 10 Nov 2016
Leaf Number: 314199
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:06 am

SeasonsAfter wrote:Why don't you think I have the canary battery? From my reading in these forums is if the manufacture date is between 1/2013-3/2013 is that is the older technology battery.

Please explain. I know with my numbers is in four months having the AHr drop to 42 will be nearly impossible. HX as well.

Oh well, I am hoping Nissan can find it in their hearts to help out an owner when the bar drops after the warranty period is over. Getting a replacement battery for 10-20% of the cost would be great!

The Leaf is great, I love not paying for gas or oil changes or smog checks. Teslas are way too expensive and it seems like they have all kinds of maintenance issues.

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automot ... otors.html


umm that is a "lost in translation" voice to text.

there is also a whole missing sentence as well. can't remember what else I said but I think it was something along the lines of day time charging and your high utility rates.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 27,000 miles.363GID Ahr 79.13Hx95.17%kwh28.1QCs238,L2's 251
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mjblazin
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Delivery Date: 11 Mar 2015
Leaf Number: 405999
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:41 am

[quote="bwatl"]I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.
2013 SL Blue Ocean
Bought used, March 2015 12,764 miles
11/12 bars. 235 gids 18.2 kWh
Appears fully loaded
Condo home, Using public charge except in emergency
Dallas, TX downtown, shaded non-temp controlled garage

SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:54 am

mjblazin wrote:
bwatl wrote:I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.



You can contact Nissan directly to inquire when the in service date is. It would be 5 years from the in service date. Do you have Leaf Spy numbers you can provide? Sounds to me you might not make the warranty period if you only have lost the 3rd bar by now. I've lost my third bar over a year ago and will be hard pressed to make the 4th bar drop by the end of my warranty period (feb 21, 2018). My numbers below in my signature line show my battery numbers.
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 46.94
SOH 71%
Hx 65.09%
33k on ODO
204 GIDs on full charge

DaveinOlyWA
Posts: 12336
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 10 Nov 2016
Leaf Number: 314199
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:42 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:
mjblazin wrote:
bwatl wrote:I bought a used 2013 Leaf SL with a build date of March 2013. It had 10,584 miles when I purchased it in October 2016. I lost the first capacity bar about a month after purchase with 12,576 miles. I'm not sure when I lost the 2nd bar on June 14, 2017 with 22,455 miles. I just recently lost the 3rd capacity bar around 28,300 miles in November 2017. What date will Nissan use for the battery warranty? According to the Carfax report, it arrived to a dealer in Grapevine, TX on March 26, 2013 and was sold to the first owner on May 28, 2013. Do I have until the end of May 2018 to hopefully lose the 4th bar?

The date also appears on any work order you get from the dealer - DEL DATE, upper left corner.



You can contact Nissan directly to inquire when the in service date is. It would be 5 years from the in service date. Do you have Leaf Spy numbers you can provide? Sounds to me you might not make the warranty period if you only have lost the 3rd bar by now. I've lost my third bar over a year ago and will be hard pressed to make the 4th bar drop by the end of my warranty period (feb 21, 2018). My numbers below in my signature line show my battery numbers.


Its only 6% to lose and it gets warm early in GA. Just drive it more. Take it on a 4 charge road trip. Remember; 6 % on a degraded pack goes much faster than the first 6% on a new pack.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 27,000 miles.363GID Ahr 79.13Hx95.17%kwh28.1QCs238,L2's 251
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SeasonsAfter
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Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:10 pm

Yeah, I am having my leaf bask in the San Diego heat. Have it parked at work on the 7th floor in full sun! My fingers are crossed for my 4th battery bar to drop within a few months.

Any other 2013 (Jan thru March) Leafs that have Leaf Spy stats that are getting close to their warranty period expiration?

Good luck to all!
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 46.94
SOH 71%
Hx 65.09%
33k on ODO
204 GIDs on full charge

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