SageBrush
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Delivery Date: 13 Feb 2017
Location: Colorado

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:26 pm

If I was going to abuse my battery, I would not publish my intent on the internet.
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles

Reddy
Posts: 1482
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:09 pm
Delivery Date: 18 Aug 2011
Leaf Number: 006828
Location: Pasco, WA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:56 pm

Well, if parking in the sun in San Diego is considered abuse, then Nissan has other problems.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

SeasonsAfter
Posts: 58
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:25 pm
Delivery Date: 21 Feb 2015

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:25 am

Thanks for the comments; yeah parking the Leaf in the sun is some kind of violation? It is a black leaf so hopefully absorbing as much sun as possible! I know, I probably won't get the bar to drop by Feb 2018 but haven't lost hope. It seems like my Leaf Spy data is going up lately...

72.2% GIDs
203 GIDs full charge
AHr 46.75
SOH 71%
Hx 64.79
ODO 33k

Any others in the manufacture date 1/2013- 3/2013 with Leaf Spy stats they would like to share? AHr and Hx numbers might be different than the 2011 and 2012 models. I am hoping so.
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

Bob
Posts: 299
Joined: Fri May 24, 2013 7:13 pm
Delivery Date: 30 May 2013
Location: New Hampshire

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:53 am

I don't recommend doing this, but...

If you want to drain your battery without driving, you can get a 12V space heater or other big 12V power consuming device, clip it to your 12V battery with jumper cables, turn on the Leaf in park, then switch on the space heater. The big 12V device will draw power from the 12V system, which will be powered by the traction battery and the inverter in the car, thereby drawing down the traction battery.

If that's not enough of a kluge, you can also use a 120VAC space heater and a low-cost power inverter to convert 12VDC to 120VAC. These are available from places like Harbor Freight, Tractor Supply and other bargain store.

Assuming 5 miles / kWh and a 250 watt space heater, you will use 1.25 miles worth of battery juice for every hour you run the heater. You'll have to recharge the car every three days, because the battery gives you roughly 18 kWh of energy.

Bob

setof4
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Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:08 pm
Delivery Date: 15 Mar 2013
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:52 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:Thanks for the comments; yeah parking the Leaf in the sun is some kind of violation? It is a black leaf so hopefully absorbing as much sun as possible! I know, I probably won't get the bar to drop by Feb 2018 but haven't lost hope. It seems like my Leaf Spy data is going up lately...

72.2% GIDs
203 GIDs full charge
AHr 46.75
SOH 71%
Hx 64.79
ODO 33k

Any others in the manufacture date 1/2013- 3/2013 with Leaf Spy stats they would like to share? AHr and Hx numbers might be different than the 2011 and 2012 models. I am hoping so.



Here is a very nice data collection by member sandeen:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

Reddy
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Leaf Number: 006828
Location: Pasco, WA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:16 pm

With 33K miles, you just need to drive the ?ell out of it. On/Off freeway, high speeds, high acceleration, etc. Oh, if you have QC, then do that too.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

DaveinOlyWA
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Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:43 pm
Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2018
Leaf Number: 314199
Location: Olympia, WA
Contact: Website

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:32 am

SeasonsAfter wrote:Thanks for the comments; yeah parking the Leaf in the sun is some kind of violation? It is a black leaf so hopefully absorbing as much sun as possible! I know, I probably won't get the bar to drop by Feb 2018 but haven't lost hope. It seems like my Leaf Spy data is going up lately...

72.2% GIDs
203 GIDs full charge
AHr 46.75
SOH 71%
Hx 64.79
ODO 33k

Any others in the manufacture date 1/2013- 3/2013 with Leaf Spy stats they would like to share? AHr and Hx numbers might be different than the 2011 and 2012 models. I am hoping so.


oh course its NOT. too many people are off the rails here.

The guy is doing nothing more than charging at work because degradation has forced him to do so. nothing more.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 5775 miles, 488 GIDs, 38 kwh 113.37 Ahr available, SOH 98.21, Hx 115.75
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SeasonsAfter
Posts: 58
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:25 pm
Delivery Date: 21 Feb 2015

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:53 am

With my numbers, driving the ?ell out of it won't degrade the battery to the 4th battery drop by the end of Feb 2018 from my calculations. I'd need 2% SOH decline each month which I can't get a drop in SOH in the months I've been using Leaf Spy.

I am not sure if this helps but I am going to run down my numbers on the times I have used Leaf Spy. Maybe some forum gurus can weigh in to see if a 4th battery drop is possible. Seems like my SOH is going up instead of down...ha

10/7/2017-AHr-46.26, SOH 70%, Hx 64.04
10/13/2017-AHr-46.51, SOH 71% Hx 64.42
10/19 AHr 47.47, SOH 72% Hx 66.07
10/24 AHr 46.77 SOH 71% Hx 64.81
10/25 AHr 46.79 SOH 71% Hx 64.85
10/26 AHr 47.2 SOH 72% Hx 65.56
10/27 AHr 46.94 SOH 71% Hx 65.09
10/29 AHr 46.74 SOH 71% Hx 64.77
10/30 AHr 46.94 SOH 71% Hx 65.09
11/1 AHr 47.15 SOH 72% Hx 65.48
11/2 AHr 47.21 SOH 72 Hx 65.58
11/3 AHr 47.25 SOH 72 Hx 65.66
11/7 AHr 46.96 SOH 71 Hx 65.11
11/14 AHr 46.75 SOH 71 Hx 64.79
11/16 AHr 46.83 SOH 71 Hx 64.9

Don't get me wrong, I love this car and will continue to drive it if I don't get a battery replacement. Not buying gas is great and I don't have any issues other than the limited range.

Happy Thanksgiving all and thanks for any suggestions/ comments you can provide.

Time for some rocking out to Death!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnJVcuUDnW4
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

Reddy
Posts: 1482
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:09 pm
Delivery Date: 18 Aug 2011
Leaf Number: 006828
Location: Pasco, WA

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:31 pm

SeasonsAfter wrote:With my numbers, driving the ?ell out of it won't degrade the battery to the 4th battery drop by the end of Feb 2018 from my calculations. I'd need 2% SOH decline each month which I can't get a drop in SOH in the months I've been using Leaf Spy.
Ya, your numbers are about the same as mine, so you may be hosed. I'm predicting my 4th bar dropping in Sept/Oct 2018 (maybe it will make it to spring). However, with 33,000 mi, you've got a lot of extra miles. Unless located in very high temperature areas, most people aren't losing the 4th bar until >45,000 mi (some not even at all, or just over 60,000). Your best chance is to accelerate your mileage use, use the DCQC, charge to 100%, and drive lots of highway speeds with high acceleration/deceleration. Remember, the motor can take energy out of the battery faster than the Chademo DCQC. Also, the Nissan warranty is that the car will always provide FULL acceleration (no loss of functionality). You can ALWAYS do this without voiding the warranty. This is their downfall because full acc is something like 4C (vs 2C for Chademo DCQC) and will really heat up the battery! I wish I'd realized this earlier.

You've got more than 8000 mi/mo, 250 mi/day. You might as well enjoy them. :twisted:
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 45.80 AHr; 45,000 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

SeasonsAfter
Posts: 58
Joined: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:25 pm
Delivery Date: 21 Feb 2015

Re: 2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:01 pm

Yeah, no quick charge on my Leaf and not sure I can get 250 miles out of it on a day. Level 2 charge only from my home. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll just try my best to wear down the battery as much as possible. Leaf Spy should have been purchased when I bought the used Leaf but hindsight is always 20/20.

Thanks again for all the suggestions. May all the leaves run without any issues!
2013 Leaf
9 of 12 bars remaining (waiting for that 4th bar drop)
manufacture date 1/2013
in service date 2/21/2013
AHr 44.83 (all updated 2/1/2018)
SOH 68%
Hx 61.85%
35k on ODO
194 GIDs on full charge

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