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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:52 am

I think that you folks should stop worrying about SOH - on a BRAND NEW 2016, worrying about your capacity is premature, and in fact silly... At 300, or even 1000 miles, the car has not even begun to acclimate itself... The battery needs ALOT of charges AND deep discharges (30-40%) in a short amount of time for the battery to come to true working capacity... If you only drive 3-5 miles daily, you have not even begun to use the capacity of the car and the battery.

If you only drive short distances and charge the battery every 5-10 days, then the battery is suffering from lack of use, similar to muscle tone deterioration when you do not exercise. If you are a short distance driver, just drive the car, and don't obsess about your Leafspy... I think we have too many ways to measure things today, and we love to obsess on things - like how our children are developing, or all the specs of all of our crap we buy..

PS - Just to give you an idea, I have a 2015 since new, with 35K miles on it. I drive the pants off of that car, and the SOH is still at 99.5%.... This weekend, I drove it on a 250 mile trip in one day, with many charges, and today, my GOM (at 100%) is 130 miles, better than when it was new....

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:55 am

I purchased a 2016 SL in December of 2015. The first year I drove 75 miles round trip commute and charged 5 days a week. Since January this year commute is down to 22 miles round trip charging every couple of days. I have just lost my 3rd battery bar just under 27,000 miles. I have only quick charged 3 times. I don't leave it sitting charged. I really expected the battery to last longer. The battery really can't take the Phoenix, Az heat.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:12 am

bakermel1 wrote:I purchased a 2016 SL in December of 2015. The first year I drove 75 miles round trip commute and charged 5 days a week. Since January this year commute is down to 22 miles round trip charging every couple of days. I have just lost my 3rd battery bar just under 27,000 miles. I have only quick charged 3 times. I don't leave it sitting charged. I really expected the battery to last longer. The battery really can't take the Phoenix, Az heat.


No offense to you, brother, but shouldn't people in HOT areas like AZ, STOP BUYING LEAFS? We know that those areas are not good for EVs, and people insist in continuing to buy these cars?? I think it's like continuing to try growing crops in Death Valley, or buying convertibles in Siberia???.... We know it will fail???

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:47 am

powersurge wrote:No offense to you, brother, but shouldn't people in HOT areas like AZ, STOP BUYING LEAFS? We know that those areas are not good for EVs, and people insist in continuing to buy these cars??

There's nothing wrong with buying an EV in a hot area, provided it's anything but a Nissan! There are plenty of happy Volt and Tesla owners in Phoenix...
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:03 am

i cannot help wondering why Nissan does not have "battery cooler" package for hot weather regions. They have "battery heater" package for cold weather regions. :D
May-2017 6866mi 72.98Ahr 91%SOH 87.43%Hx
Feb-2017 4442mi 73.9Ahr 93%SOH 88.6%Hx
Sep-2016 1050mi 74.3Ahr 93%SOH 89%Hx
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:36 am

powersurge wrote:
bakermel1 wrote:I purchased a 2016 SL in December of 2015. The first year I drove 75 miles round trip commute and charged 5 days a week. Since January this year commute is down to 22 miles round trip charging every couple of days. I have just lost my 3rd battery bar just under 27,000 miles. I have only quick charged 3 times. I don't leave it sitting charged. I really expected the battery to last longer. The battery really can't take the Phoenix, Az heat.


No offense to you, brother, but shouldn't people in HOT areas like AZ, STOP BUYING LEAFS? We know that those areas are not good for EVs, and people insist in continuing to buy these cars?? I think it's like continuing to try growing crops in Death Valley, or buying convertibles in Siberia???.... We know it will fail???


Nissan should stop selling Leafs in the Southwest or at least fess up to the truth that the battery has problems in hot climates. When I bought my Leaf, Nissan conveniently forgot to mention that. Nissan told me that the battery had a 8 year warranty and typically would have 80% of its capacity left at 100,000 miles. The car is now 1 1/2 years old and has 28,000 miles on it. It is down to 81% capacity and the 12th bar comes and goes. If the first bar is twice the value of the other bars then I could be looking at 50% capacity before the warranty kicks in. Talk about deceptive advertising. If I lose 4 bars out of 12, I would expect to have 2/3 of the capacity left not 1/2. I can use the car for my needs with 2/3 of the capacity but not with 1/2.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:15 pm

rmorgansd: Thanks for the update.

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.


Done. Thank you.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:09 pm

I'm fascinated by everyone's differing experiences with their 2016 leaf! Aside from an issue with the charge timer starting the charge at the wrong time (it finishes ~3hrs before it's supposed to), I am still seeing 100% SOH (it dropped to 99% last month, but a full balance charge restored it 100%).

I charge mine every 2 out of 3 days and usually only to 90% (set the timer to 11am and manually unplug it at 7:30am). I've noticed that it reaches 100% charge about 30 minutes before it finishes the balancing charge. I have a parking garage at work too, so my leaf never parks out in the sun for more than a couple of times a month.

My 2013 leaf was down to 80% SOH after 48k miles. Am interested to see how this all holds after 30k miles.
[2013 leaf traded for 2016 leaf S30 (7300 miles & 363 GIDs @ 1 May 2017)! ... still getting a model3 though. :D

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:31 pm

powersurge wrote:I think that you folks should stop worrying about SOH - on a BRAND NEW 2016, worrying about your capacity is premature, and in fact silly... At 300, or even 1000 miles, the car has not even begun to acclimate itself...



You sir, are right outside your mind. This thing we do is precisely WHAT men do. I've been fussing over every car Ive ever owned for 30 years, and its done me no harm. If I wanted to just drive a car I would have just bought a Taurus.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:37 pm

bakermel1 wrote:I purchased a 2016 SL in December of 2015. The first year I drove 75 miles round trip commute and charged 5 days a week. Since January this year commute is down to 22 miles round trip charging every couple of days. I have just lost my 3rd battery bar just under 27,000 miles. I have only quick charged 3 times. I don't leave it sitting charged. I really expected the battery to last longer. The battery really can't take the Phoenix, Az heat.

Thanks for the update. Can you and other folks who have lost capacity bars on their 30 kWh Leafs please add your info to http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... acity_Loss?

The good news for you as long as Nissan didn't muck w/the capacity loss levels for each bar, you're going to definitely hit 8 bars before the 8 year/100K capacity warranty (for 30 kWh cars) expires and you might even hit it multiple times before expiration.

I don't think this has been posted yet, but on 6/9/17, https://www.facebook.com/groups/4377412 ... 655743856/ reported a 2nd bar gone on a '16 30 kWh car at 17K miles. That person per FB lives in Florida.

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