DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:16 am

Scaramanga wrote:
powersurge wrote:I think that you folks should stop worrying about SOH - on a BRAND NEW 2016, worrying about your capacity is premature, and in fact silly... At 300, or even 1000 miles, the car has not even begun to acclimate itself...



You sir, are right outside your mind. This thing we do is precisely WHAT men do. I've been fussing over every car Ive ever owned for 30 years, and its done me no harm. If I wanted to just drive a car I would have just bought a Taurus.
:D


+1!

we don't buy new trucks cause they are as good as the old one. we buy new trucks to climb the hill we couldn't climb before or pull the boat that we couldn't pull before.

My 2016 is like a whole new LEAF but as nice as it is, the first thing I have to know is how far can I push it! That is human nature
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:36 am

Despite everyone saying these packs heat up super fast (and they do seem to, especially with DCQC), I've also noticed that they seem to cool faster as well ('17 S vs '13 SV). I'm spending most of the day at 5 temp bars and only right when I get home do I get to 6 temp bars, even after a full L2 charge in 95 degree heat (granted, the garage is covered but is exposed directly to the outdoors). Anyone else seen this?

jbuntz
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:15 am

My 2016 SL is now at 6899 odo 67.17 Ah 84% SOH and 81.47 Hx. Delivered 12/2016.

I have seen much degradation in the last few months. It was at 90% on April 1. I have noted the battery temperature and they have usually been in the upper 80s and I only have 4 QC total.

It does not seem to me that temps are the issue as we just started having highs over 90.
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
30 Apr 2017 5175 mi 324 GID Ahr 70.75 SOH 89% Hx 85.31% kWh 25.1
11 Aug 2017 11 bar 9245 mi 282 GID Ahr 61.68 SOH 77% Hx 75.83% kWh 21.9
21 Oct 2017 10 bars 12000 mi 260 GID Ahr 57.22 SOH 71% Hx 70.58% kWh 20.2

eatsleafsandshoots
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:02 am

Just goes to show you that trying to treat these packs nicely is a fools errand, the only real game to play is drive hard as you need to and get a replacement if possible

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:31 pm

eatsleafsandshoots wrote:Despite everyone saying these packs heat up super fast (and they do seem to, especially with DCQC), I've also noticed that they seem to cool faster as well ('17 S vs '13 SV). I'm spending most of the day at 5 temp bars and only right when I get home do I get to 6 temp bars, even after a full L2 charge in 95 degree heat (granted, the garage is covered but is exposed directly to the outdoors). Anyone else seen this?


Agreed. I am noticing the pack getting hotter but also cooling much faster. When it was cooler, I would see my pack take nearly 24 hours or more to cool to ambient on my 2013 and this getting it no higher than 7 TBs but my 2016, I had it up to 10 TBs and it was almost back to ambient less than 10 hours later
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:37 pm

Argh. Imagine if some car company TRIED to build a battery-module delivery vehicle to supply piping hot phone-in orders of batteries to eager customers. And they built an insulated carrying bin under the floor of a compact sedan. You'd have angry customers from only half a mile away complaining that the packs were stone cold on delivery, right? But (apparently) just because we'd actually LIKE a hot object to cool off, it won't.

VAB5
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:17 am

Here's mine, a 2016 SV. Just bought it with less than 5,000 miles. Built in 10/2015.

Not sure what it tells me. Dealer says it had 12 bars when they shipped it, has 11 now. Any possibility that's true? When does it lose the 1st bar?

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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:20 am

VAB5 wrote:Here's mine, a 2016 SV. Just bought it with less than 5,000 miles. Built in 10/2015.

Not sure what it tells me. Dealer says it had 12 bars when they shipped it, has 11 now. Any possibility that's true? When does it lose the 1st bar?

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HOLY CRAP! you still have 12 bars?


oh I see you did lose a bar. Generally first one is worth 15% and when "full" you are at 97% so first one goes "around" 82%
Last edited by DaveinOlyWA on Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:21 am

No, it's 11 bars now.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:25 am

VAB5 wrote:No, it's 11 bars now.


edited previous. but prob around 82%
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 26,100.2 miles.363GID Ahr 79.55Hx95.35%kwh28.1QCs227,L2's 237
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