johnlocke
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:20 pm

Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
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rcm4453
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:18 pm

johnlocke wrote:Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.



That's because Nissan's battery check doesn't look at usable capacity/degradation. Did you complain to them about the degradation? Did they even say anything about the capacity bar losses? (my guess is they didn't care)

johnlocke
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:15 am

rcm4453 wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.



That's because Nissan's battery check doesn't look at usable capacity/degradation. Did you complain to them about the degradation? Did they even say anything about the capacity bar losses? (my guess is they didn't care)

Actually I did complain about it. The service writer passed it off as "pretty normal for your mileage." Obviously wasn't aware of the difference in battery size and didn't know about the 100K warranty. After checking on it, told me that they would replace the battery "after you lose the 4th bar". Obviously, Nissan doesn't care about early failures or excessive degradation. I'm sure that they will cheap it out until the end. I've owned Nissan vehicles for 27 years and always found them reliable and durable. Not this one. If I buy another Leaf (not likely), it will be a lease not a purchase. I'm sure that the next car I get will be an electric ( i've installed large PV arrays) but probably not a Nissan. More likely an off-lease Tesla 3 or maybe a Ford if they get a larger battery. It's a shame really, the Leaf is the most comfortable car i've ever owned (and that includes 2 Maximas) but the battery failure and Nissan's attitude about it have really soured me on the brand.
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SageBrush
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:51 am

johnlocke wrote:Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.


I get quite a bit more than 1 mile per Ahr, so perhaps you can just slow down for a while, until your new battery arrives. That will be more time efficient than charging to drive fast.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
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Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:53 pm

The mythical ... off ... lease ...Tesla ... 3???? Wow. :o

My 2016 S has 10K, now 1 year old. LeafSpy says 29QCs and 217L1/L2 charges last year. SoH has improved since October from 92 to 94 and Ah from 73.408 to 74.656.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:42 pm

SageBrush wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.


I get quite a bit more than 1 mile per Ahr, so perhaps you can just slow down for a while, until your new battery arrives. That will be more time efficient than charging to drive fast.

Not a matter of driving too fast, It's a matter of driving down and then back up 2000 ft during my commute. Also, how do you drive slowly on a California freeway without causing wrecks? :) Also I can't get any regen going down hill because the battery is nearly fully charged and won't accept regen so I lose 7% at the start. If I could start at 75-80%, I could do the first 12 miles for free (start at 80% end at 80% with regen). I only need 10 minutes at level 3 to give me enough juice to get home.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 pm

johnlocke wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Dropped the 3rd bar today. 54.24AH, SOH 68.24%, Hx 59.68%, 38475 mi. 73 L3, 727 L1/L2. Nissan did the battery check just last week and according to them it's in excellent condition. I just completed my usual 55 mi. commute today and arrived home with 13% charge left and 9 mi. left on the GOM. Pretty soon I'm going to have to charge out in town every day or risk not being able to make it home.


I get quite a bit more than 1 mile per Ahr, so perhaps you can just slow down for a while, until your new battery arrives. That will be more time efficient than charging to drive fast.

Not a matter of driving too fast, It's a matter of driving down and then back up 2000 ft during my commute. Also, how do you drive slowly on a California freeway without causing wrecks? :) Also I can't get any regen going down hill because the battery is nearly fully charged and won't accept regen so I lose 7% at the start. If I could start at 75-80%, I could do the first 12 miles for free (start at 80% end at 80% with regen). I only need 10 minutes at level 3 to give me enough juice to get home.

I was curious ...
Your 2000 foot drop over 12 miles works out to 217 Wh/mile potential energy on average. I doubt you are losing out on much if any regen. I drive in the mountains and have to slow down a little towards the peak of an incline so that I do not end up going too fast on the way down. When I drive there is almost no regen, but my wife collects little regen icons on the screen like they are going out of style.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:22 am

Maggie wrote:Hi. Very first post. Our SV is a 2016 30kwh model, born 10/2015, we bought 12/19/2015 with 100 miles. I would say we push this car to the limit --- we drive 84 miles round trip each day, with an L1 trickle charge in-between for 8 hrs; then an L2 charge back to 100% each night. We drive all highway miles, generally 65-68 mph which is crazy dangerous on Florida highways since no one goes that slow! And yes, Florida -- We just had a super hot summer, AND we have to park the car during those weekday charges in an un-shaded paved lot. With that said, our SOH is 60.63%, AHr 48.19 and it has 39,119 miles. We have 9 bars. GOM [new lingo I have learned, so proud of myself] is 65 or so after a full charge. Frequently reach the turtle warning on our daily trip home, and go past it once in a while--but try hard not to have this happen. From this forum, we expect our 4th bar may go around ahr43-41 or so..? Which may not be till the summer, but there are too many factors at play, that it's seems difficult to say that for sure in our case.
Here are my questions: We didn't realize we were supposed to go for battery checkups each year, could that be a big problem?---should we go to the Nissan dealer NOW and get a reading and start planning for the new battery with them? We probably will need that new battery right away, and it takes a while to order/install from what I have read. It says in the warranty Nissan doesn't have to give us a battery that has 12 bars but anything over 9--- how often does that happen? Seems like people would just be coming right back for another battery if they were doing that. AND...just curious about the brand new 2018 battery that has a range of 150--- does anyone know if that is going to fit into previous year 30kwh vehicles, or is the battery now completely different? I heard somewhere Nissan sold the battery making to someone else?
your stats are already below others who dropped 9th and got a replacement, so you should not have long to wait.

The battery test is not a requirement for replacement.
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
Date Bar MI GID Ahr SOH
05/17 12 05175 324 70.75 89
08/17 11 09245 282 61.68 77
10/17 10 12000 260 57.22 71
01/18 09 15329 244 53.72 68
06/20 08 21716 230 50.41 63
06/27 11 22047 296 66.01 83 Aftr Updt

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:26 am

cwerdna wrote:Seems like not many updates have been happening to http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... 3.75.25.29 and I don't see any 4 bar 2016 30 kWh losers there yet. (I'd do it if I find some free time...)

Here are links to the 30 kWh 4 bar losers I'm aware of, so far. Please chime if I'm missing any 30 kWh 4+ bar losers or made mistakes. I've included their initials or MNL user name to help avoid confusion or duplication.

1) bakermel1, Phoenix, AZ, Sep 2017:
viewtopic.php?p=506782#p506782
viewtopic.php?p=506819#p506819

2) SB, Phoenix, AZ, Sep 2017: viewtopic.php?p=506613#p506613

3) samrovner, Surprise, AZ, Nov 2017: viewtopic.php?p=510024#p510024

4) LG, Chandler, AZ, Nov 2017: viewtopic.php?p=512503#p512503

5) ST, Orlando, FL, Dec 2017: viewtopic.php?p=514452#p514452

6) dfwpev, Dallas, TX, Dec 2017: viewtopic.php?p=514659#p514659

7) BB, Lake Buena Vista, FL, Dec 2017: viewtopic.php?p=514929#p514929


I have noted melody b and sflores91 have replacements
Mfg 11/15 Del 12/16 TX 2016 SL 30kWh,
Date Bar MI GID Ahr SOH
05/17 12 05175 324 70.75 89
08/17 11 09245 282 61.68 77
10/17 10 12000 260 57.22 71
01/18 09 15329 244 53.72 68
06/20 08 21716 230 50.41 63
06/27 11 22047 296 66.01 83 Aftr Updt

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:35 am

jbuntz wrote:
Maggie wrote:Hi. Very first post. Our SV is a 2016 30kwh model, born 10/2015, we bought 12/19/2015 with 100 miles. I would say we push this car to the limit --- we drive 84 miles round trip each day, with an L1 trickle charge in-between for 8 hrs; then an L2 charge back to 100% each night. We drive all highway miles, generally 65-68 mph which is crazy dangerous on Florida highways since no one goes that slow! And yes, Florida -- We just had a super hot summer, AND we have to park the car during those weekday charges in an un-shaded paved lot. With that said, our SOH is 60.63%, AHr 48.19 and it has 39,119 miles. We have 9 bars. GOM [new lingo I have learned, so proud of myself] is 65 or so after a full charge. Frequently reach the turtle warning on our daily trip home, and go past it once in a while--but try hard not to have this happen. From this forum, we expect our 4th bar may go around ahr43-41 or so..? Which may not be till the summer, but there are too many factors at play, that it's seems difficult to say that for sure in our case.
Here are my questions: We didn't realize we were supposed to go for battery checkups each year, could that be a big problem?---should we go to the Nissan dealer NOW and get a reading and start planning for the new battery with them? We probably will need that new battery right away, and it takes a while to order/install from what I have read. It says in the warranty Nissan doesn't have to give us a battery that has 12 bars but anything over 9--- how often does that happen? Seems like people would just be coming right back for another battery if they were doing that. AND...just curious about the brand new 2018 battery that has a range of 150--- does anyone know if that is going to fit into previous year 30kwh vehicles, or is the battery now completely different? I heard somewhere Nissan sold the battery making to someone else?

your stats are already below others who dropped 9th and got a replacement, so you should not have long to wait.

The battery test is not a requirement for replacement.


The AHr 43-41 you mention is more for the 24 kWh Battery.

If you haven’t had the annual battery check I would go ahead and schedule it. Make sure you talk with one of the Service Mgrs/Staff familiar with this test before you go in and ask the turn around time when you make the appointment (the first time I went at a 10am appointment they said it would take all day, so I left and had to elevate the issue all the way to Nissan Customer Service to resolve. Some dealers are better than others).

And, Yes start the dialogue on the battery replacement, confirming the dealer you take your Leaf in for the battery check has also replaced batteries in the past and is experienced.
Last edited by lkkms2 on Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
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