slowryd76
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Leaf Number: 310290
Location: Austin, TX

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:18 am

Just lost my second bar today with less than 6k miles. I haven't even had the car for a year. At this rate, I'll probably have four bars missing by summer.

LeafSpy stats when I leased the car 2/2/17:
AHr: 73.81
SOH: 92% 384.97V
Hx: 88.91%
odo: 221
1 QCs
16 L1/L2s

LeafSpy stats when it lost its first bar 10/29/17:
AHr: 63.92
SOH: 80% 391.06V
Hx: 78.47%
odo: 4,946
3 QCs
143 L1/L2s

LeafSpy stats when it lost its second bar 1/15/18:
AHr: 59.92
SOH: 75.39% 381.58V
Hx: 73.04%
odo: 5,988
3 QCs
176 L1/L2s

DaveinOlyWA
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Delivery Date: 16 Feb 2018
Leaf Number: 314199
Location: Olympia, WA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:07 am

slowryd76 wrote:Just lost my second bar today with less than 6k miles. I haven't even had the car for a year. At this rate, I'll probably have four bars missing by summer.

LeafSpy stats when I leased the car 2/2/17:
AHr: 73.81
SOH: 92% 384.97V
Hx: 88.91%
odo: 221
1 QCs
16 L1/L2s

LeafSpy stats when it lost its first bar 10/29/17:
AHr: 63.92
SOH: 80% 391.06V
Hx: 78.47%
odo: 4,946
3 QCs
143 L1/L2s

LeafSpy stats when it lost its second bar 1/15/18:
AHr: 59.92
SOH: 75.39% 381.58V
Hx: 73.04%
odo: 5,988
3 QCs
176 L1/L2s


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BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:31 am

slowryd76 wrote:LeafSpy stats when I leased the car 2/2/17:
AHr: 73.81
SOH: 92% 384.97V
Hx: 88.91%
odo: 221
1 QCs
16 L1/L2s

Yikes. What was the build date? I'm guessing this battery was baked all summer, sitting in the sun on the dealers lot at 100% SOC.
2013 SV no QC, built July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
bar 12 lost 8/21/17
on 2/2/18: AHr = 56.1; SOH = 85.7%; Hx = 81.5; ODO = 44,444

slowryd76
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Leaf Number: 310290
Location: Austin, TX

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:08 pm

BuckMkII wrote:
slowryd76 wrote:LeafSpy stats when I leased the car 2/2/17:
AHr: 73.81
SOH: 92% 384.97V
Hx: 88.91%
odo: 221
1 QCs
16 L1/L2s

Yikes. What was the build date? I'm guessing this battery was baked all summer, sitting in the sun on the dealers lot at 100% SOC.


Yep, it was built in April 2016 and I picked it up Feb 2017. I'm sure it spent a long, hot summer on the dealer's lot at 100% charge.

cmwade77
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Delivery Date: 15 Nov 2017

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:19 pm

slowryd76 wrote:
BuckMkII wrote:
slowryd76 wrote:LeafSpy stats when I leased the car 2/2/17:
AHr: 73.81
SOH: 92% 384.97V
Hx: 88.91%
odo: 221
1 QCs
16 L1/L2s

Yikes. What was the build date? I'm guessing this battery was baked all summer, sitting in the sun on the dealers lot at 100% SOC.


Yep, it was built in April 2016 and I picked it up Feb 2017. I'm sure it spent a long, hot summer on the dealer's lot at 100% charge.

Honestly, I would have insisted that they replace the battery as a condition of purchasing the vehicle unless you got a killer deal. Of course I am assuming you used LeafSpy at the dealership.

Dooglas
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Location: Oregon City, OR

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:46 pm

slowryd76 wrote:Just lost my second bar today with less than 6k miles. I haven't even had the car for a year. At this rate, I'll probably have four bars missing by summer.

And then you will get a new battery at no cost under warranty.
2013 Leaf SV - lease ended, 2016 Leaf S30

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Location: Arcadia, CA

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:34 am

Dooglas wrote:
slowryd76 wrote:Just lost my second bar today with less than 6k miles. I haven't even had the car for a year. At this rate, I'll probably have four bars missing by summer.

And then you will get a new battery at no cost under warranty.


Actually, I don't recall there being a guarantee of a _new_ battery. I think the wording was that they'd restore or replace it with something that wasn't down 4-bars. Kind of like refurbished hard drives under a 5 year warranty.
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Sep '17 - 13k mi / 359
.....
Jan '18 - 18.9k mi / 326
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333 ?!?!

Dooglas
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:45 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Actually, I don't recall there being a guarantee of a _new_ battery. I think the wording was that they'd restore or replace it with something that wasn't down 4-bars. Kind of like refurbished hard drives under a 5 year warranty.

If you read other posts on this site, you will see that warranty claims after loss of 4 bars are routinely resolved by replacement of the battery pack with a new one.
2013 Leaf SV - lease ended, 2016 Leaf S30

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:33 am

Dooglas wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Actually, I don't recall there being a guarantee of a _new_ battery. I think the wording was that they'd restore or replace it with something that wasn't down 4-bars. Kind of like refurbished hard drives under a 5 year warranty.

If you read other posts on this site, you will see that warranty claims after loss of 4 bars are routinely resolved by replacement of the battery pack with a new one.


I was talking about the 30kwh packs here. They received new wording on the warranty. I might've missed it, but I don't recall seeing anyone post about getting a new battery yet.

And per Nissan's updated warranty ( page 8 - http://juicedcar.com/wp-content/uploads ... ooklet.pdf):
"This warranty covers any repairs needed to return
battery capacity to a level of nine remaining bars
on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge. If
possible, the lithium-ion battery components will
be repaired or replaced, and the original lithiumion
battery will be returned to the vehicle. If necessary,
the lithium-ion battery will be replaced with
either a new or remanufactured lithium-ion battery.

Any repair or replacement made under this
Lithium-Ion Battery Capacity Coverage may not
return your lithium-ion battery to an “as new” condition
with all 12 battery capacity bars, but it will
provide the vehicle with a capacity level of nine
bars or more on the battery capacity level gauge."
:: Model 3 LR :: acquired 9 May '18
:: Leaf S30 :: build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
Date - Miles / GIDs:
May '17 - 7300 mi / 363
Sep '17 - 13k mi / 359
.....
Jan '18 - 18.9k mi / 326
Feb '18 - 20.5k mi / 333 ?!?!

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HIOJim
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:38 pm

I was recently tempted to take advantage of the relatively low residual on my 2016 SV lease by buying it out. As part of my research for this, I spent 2 weeks 'babying' the battery - never charged more than 80%, did several cycles from 80% down to 30%, and finally charged it up to 100% so balancing could take place. The result? I lost another 2.83% SOH. Current numbers are:

Miles: 7405
AHr: 65.54
SOH%: 82.46
Hx%: 78.43
QC: 1
L1/L2: 237

I'd say I'm within spitting distance of losing my first capacity bar. Needless to say, I've shelved any ideas of buying out the lease. Even if the battery was healthy, the new process for getting a buyout number puts all the power in the hands of the stealerships. I'm not in the mood to play that game.

So, my lease return inspection is Friday and I'm calling to set up a time to return the car. I was able to find a 2017 VW e-Golf SE with quick charge for $300/mo (36 months) with no money down. I realize that the e-Golf also does not have a TMS but I loved the way it drove and unlike the Leaf you can easily limit the max charge level through the cars configuration SW. We shall see if I have better luck with VW.
Hans (2017 VW e-Golf SE) Leased 01/16/18
The Blue Beauty (2016 Leaf SV) - Lease return 01/21/18
The Dark Knight (2013 Leaf S) - Lease return 03/31/16
LineJumper (2011 Nissan LEAF eTec) - Sold 10/01/11
Sparky (2012 Chevy Volt) - Purchased 09/16/11

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