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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 7:54 am

johnlocke wrote:Too bad it will be another Crap battery from Nissan. I don't expect it to last any longer than this one so probably a third battery under warranty at 90,000 mi.


Batteries are expensive. Nissan should be motivated to fix the problem to avoid more battery replacements.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 8:41 am

WetEV wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Too bad it will be another Crap battery from Nissan. I don't expect it to last any longer than this one so probably a third battery under warranty at 90,000 mi.


Batteries are expensive. Nissan should be motivated to fix the problem to avoid more battery replacements.


They have taken steps to address the problem but contracts got in the way so it would have actually been more expensive to not finish the contract out.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 9:24 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:They have taken steps to address the problem but contracts got in the way so it would have actually been more expensive to not finish the contract out.

I wonder if anyone at Nissan thought to factor their reputation into that particular decision... probably not.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 11:58 am

davewill wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:They have taken steps to address the problem but contracts got in the way so it would have actually been more expensive to not finish the contract out.

I wonder if anyone at Nissan thought to factor their reputation into that particular decision... probably not.


who knows what the legal/financial ramifications of their partnership with AESC held. I am guessing it was significant enough. Besides we have short memories. Bring out a great car and all is forgiven immediately. Ask any Bolter for clarification on that.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 3:10 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote: Besides we have short memories. Bring out a great car and all is forgiven immediately. Ask any Bolter for clarification on that.

YYMV. I know that if *I* ever buy a new EV, it will probably not be until three to four years into the product cycle to try to look at the battery longevity, and for Nissan products, you can strike the "probably."
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 3:35 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Besides we have short memories. Bring out a great car and all is forgiven immediately. Ask any Bolter for clarification on that.

Speak for yourself.
The mass exodus of prior LEAF owner to Tesla-land says differently.
The inability of Nissan to move much over 1000 EVs a month (and perhaps quite a few less in the coming months) at ~ msrp says differently.
The inability of Nissan to convince more than a handful of people to buy rather than lease says something different.
Or just look at the vitality of the Tesla forums compared to this one.

I don't know if Nissan will bounce back in the EV marketplace but for now they are the walking dead. And I think they like it that way.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 3:39 pm

SageBrush wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:Besides we have short memories. Bring out a great car and all is forgiven immediately. Ask any Bolter for clarification on that.

Speak for yourself.
The mass exodus of prior LEAF owner to Tesla-land says differently.
The inability of Nissan to move much over 1000 EVs a month (and perhaps quite a few less in the coming months) at ~ msrp says differently.
The inability of Nissan to convince more than a handful of people to buy rather than lease says something different.
Or just look at the vitality of the Tesla forums compared to this one.

I don't know if Nissan will bounce back in the EV marketplace but for now they are the walking dead. And I think they like it that way.


I guess the only thing I missed was the great car that Nissan brought out??
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 5:19 pm

WetEV wrote:
johnlocke wrote:Too bad it will be another Crap battery from Nissan. I don't expect it to last any longer than this one so probably a third battery under warranty at 90,000 mi.


Batteries are expensive. Nissan should be motivated to fix the problem to avoid more battery replacements.

They've got the solution to that, just tell people the replacements are back ordered indefinitely.
Has anyone had a 30kwh pack replaced recently? I'm wondering if they are out of production and they used up all the inventory they allocated for warranty replacements.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 5:25 pm

SageBrush wrote:The inability of Nissan to move much over 1000 EVs a month (and perhaps quite a few less in the coming months) at ~ msrp says differently.
...
I don't know if Nissan will bounce back in the EV marketplace but for now they are the walking dead. And I think they like it that way.

Yet, per http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 19#p526119, in March, Nissan moved about 11K Leafs worldwide.

And, there's https://insideevs.com/nissan-sell-march ... th-norway/ and https://pushevs.com/2018/04/04/2018-nis ... in-norway/. Sometimes, you need to see the forest, not just the trees.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 04, 2018 6:16 pm

cwerdna wrote:
SageBrush wrote:The inability of Nissan to move much over 1000 EVs a month (and perhaps quite a few less in the coming months) at ~ msrp says differently.
...
I don't know if Nissan will bounce back in the EV marketplace but for now they are the walking dead. And I think they like it that way.

Yet, per http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 19#p526119, in March, Nissan moved about 11K Leafs worldwide.

And, there's https://insideevs.com/nissan-sell-march ... th-norway/ and https://pushevs.com/2018/04/04/2018-nis ... in-norway/. Sometimes, you need to see the forest, not just the trees.

I know Norway buys LEAFS (and other EVs too) but I view them as an outlier for three reasons:

1. They have a cold climate
2. They have subsidies that are extremely generous ... for now
3. They are a small market and easily saturated.

The other large market thus far is Japan. I'm not sure of EV subsidies but I do know that new models tend to have a honeymoon for a few months of high sales. Time will tell if Nissan can maintain EV sales there.

So while the world-wide sales seems quite nice at first glance, it is actually mostly two countries with caveats attached to each. The US and continental Europe are better testa as harbingers of long term sales.
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