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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:03 pm

vthokia wrote: I live in Phoenix so can't do anything about A/C.

Of course you can !
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:24 pm

vthokia wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
vthokia wrote:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.


don't know if litigation will do you any good, but at 10 bars, you're not too far off from re-qualifying for the replacement.


As for not being able to commute with that capacity, how were you able to commute when it first lost the 4th bar? You should still get roughly the same range (assuming your driving style and weather didn't change significantly) as when you had lost 3 bars.



I believe they have changed the Algorithm to calculate the Capacity Bars with their latest BMS Update. So it is going to take much longer to loose that 4th bar. I am going to call them Today and ask if I can get the information on that change.

I was taking internal roads and avoid freeways, that helped. I was expecting that after I loose the 4th bar, I will get a new battery.


Yeah, we've been discussing the firmware update and how we'd have to get that done first (it's a service recall, so you don't have to wait until 4bars are lost before getting it done). Almost everyone has seen their range restored to the level indicated by the lost bars. So you'll just have to go back to driving the back-roads again until that 4th bar is lost again. Hopefully in less time this time.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:59 am

vthokia wrote:I have 2016 Leaf with 30 KWH Battery. Last week I got 8 bars left on battery so took it to the dealer.
Dealer upgraded the Firmware per the last Leaf Recall and which increased the bar to 10.
So I did not get a new battery. But the firmware did not update battery capacity.
This morning I was at 100% and after driving for around 25 miles, I was at 60% Battery.
What are my options to get a new battery as I cannot commute to work with this capacity anymore.

I live in Phoenix. Are there any other Phoenix Leaf Users? May be we can start a separate thread. If we have enough data, we can get into litigation for Arizona Leaf Owners.


If you want to come to north Phoenix/Cave Creek area, I could look at LEAF Spy data and measure energy required to charge from dead to full to see what your actual battery capacity is now. I am curious to see how your 2016 battery compares to my 2015 battery. The full discharge/recharge cycle might help the LBC (lithium battery controller is Nissan's name for the battery management system or BMS) recalibrate itself to the real battery capacity.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:57 am

Hello guys. I got a 2016 30kw leaf 13,000 ish miles and just lost 3rd bar. I’ll get replacement with in two months.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:26 am

Vasmi wrote:Hello guys. I got a 2016 30kw leaf 13,000 ish miles and just lost 3rd bar. I’ll get replacement with in two months.


Have you had the firmware update?

https://flipthefleet.org/2018/30-kwh-ni ... reporting/
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:15 pm

If a 16-17 car comes in for a warranty claim, and has not had the update, the first thing the servicing dealer will do is apply the update to see if the vehicle still qualifies.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Oct 01, 2018 10:44 pm

It's the 1st of Oct. and I'm just over 50K on the car and 5K on the new battery. 79.15 AH, SOH =99.59% Hx = 91.80% 362 GID's. I've lost 3 AH off the peak value but since GID's is limited by software to 363 GID's max and the battery is still over 79 AH there's no noticeable loss of range. The battery does seem to be following the same pattern as the old one. I'm still hoping the new firmware will change the degradation curve but it's still too early to tell if that's going to be the case. I've just gone through a hot summer so we'll see how the battery does in cooler weather. I'd like to see the battery last for at least 80K more mi. If the software fix is real then that should be the case. If not. then it would be nice to have it poop out by 90-95K so I can get that third battery under warranty. Worst case is the battery craps out just after I hit 100K and I have to trade it in for next to nothing and buy something else (probably not a Nissan). I usually put more than 150K and closer to 200K before buying a new car. If I can only get 5 1/2 or 6 yrs out of the car, that will be extremely disappointing to me. I'd like to have at least a couple of years without a car payment.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:18 am

I'm at 32k miles on my 2017, old firmware, and I'd say I'm down about 5-7 percent capacity based on actual, observed range. It could be better, but I'm not unhappy.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:53 am

mn4az wrote:Rather than having folks deal with the crappy formatting I'm keeping my numbers at the below URL. As of now it seems that I am degrading at a faster clip than before the software upgrade. :-( However, that could mean lots of things. By this time next year things could be much different (hopefully) or not (kinda expecting it).

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmMHBcyzLWAx7IAfhTHs_dPgwtVW6w

No matter what, it's serving it's 9+ year commuter car purpose for us: 3 years of us driving it before the kids drive it 6+ years around town for high school and extracurricular activities.


URL has been updated. Minnesota driver. Dec '15 manufacturing date.

Date: 10/4/2018
SOH: 89.3%
Mileage: 37231

The 100% charge after software upgrade was....

Date: 6/23/2018
SOH: 93.44%
Mileage: 32830

I'm losing ~0.9% SOH every 1k miles. On track for battery warranty replacement at around 84K miles (about 3 years from now at current driving habits). If that happens, I'd be totally cool with a new battery about 5.5 years into the ownership of the car to get me another 5-ish years.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:15 am

mn4az wrote:
mn4az wrote:Rather than having folks deal with the crappy formatting I'm keeping my numbers at the below URL. As of now it seems that I am degrading at a faster clip than before the software upgrade. :-( However, that could mean lots of things. By this time next year things could be much different (hopefully) or not (kinda expecting it).

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmMHBcyzLWAx7IAfhTHs_dPgwtVW6w

No matter what, it's serving it's 9+ year commuter car purpose for us: 3 years of us driving it before the kids drive it 6+ years around town for high school and extracurricular activities.


URL has been updated. Minnesota driver. Dec '15 manufacturing date.

Date: 10/4/2018
SOH: 89.3%
Mileage: 37231

The 100% charge after software upgrade was....

Date: 6/23/2018
SOH: 93.44%
Mileage: 32830

I'm losing ~0.9% SOH every 1k miles. On track for battery warranty replacement at around 84K miles (about 3 years from now at current driving habits). If that happens, I'd be totally cool with a new battery about 5.5 years into the ownership of the car to get me another 5-ish years.


That would be awesome!!

This is what I was hoping for on my 2018 but sadly after 12,000 miles, its looking like I will be around 85% @ 100,000 miles. Damn....
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 11,987 miles, 485 GIDs, 37.6 kwh 110.89 Ahr , SOH 96.00, Hx 115.22
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