LeftieBiker
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Delivery Date: 31 May 2013
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:36 pm

You should be able to charge the battery enough to safely get to the dealership. Ironically, though, doing that may result in them saying it's "fine" if they only do a voltage check instead of a load test. So make sure they use a capacity tester, and do that load test.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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Brat567
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Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 am
Delivery Date: 20 Dec 2016

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:50 am

Thank you all for the info. Car has been at the dealer for two weeks while they periodically do process of elimination. Seems they have to talk to reps at Nissan and there are only a few there knowledgeable on the Leaf. Therefore it can sit for days before they work on it. Hubs went this morning to test the battery. It tested between 12.2 and 12.7V. The tech said they ran a test on the battery pack and it is showing a dead short. Now they are pulling it down to open it up and will test each cell individually.

Levenkay
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Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:01 pm
Delivery Date: 16 May 2013
Leaf Number: 19196
Location: Portland, OR

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:25 pm

Brat567 wrote:Thank you all for the info. Car has been at the dealer for two weeks while they periodically do process of elimination. Seems they have to talk to reps at Nissan and there are only a few there knowledgeable on the Leaf. Therefore it can sit for days before they work on it. Hubs went this morning to test the battery. It tested between 12.2 and 12.7V. The tech said they ran a test on the battery pack and it is showing a dead short. Now they are pulling it down to open it up and will test each cell individually.
It's idiotic of the "tech" to even HAVE a test that can deliver a result of "this here battery is shorted", because anything that "shorts out" an EV's battery (assuming it's got anything like a reasonable state of charge) is going to EXPLODE. According to the Smithsonian's web page, roughly one megajoule is released by exploding a stick of dynamite. Well, a LEAF battery, fully charged, stores about EIGHTY times that amount of energy. And the mid-link pack is a fuse, so a few milliseconds into any kind of shorting-it-out incident, that'll probably be what explodes (in a decently controlled/contained way) rather than whatever the externally-connected "short" is.

Brat567
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Delivery Date: 20 Dec 2016

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:33 pm

They found one battery module has a cell leaking inside of it. It is leaking fluid into the battery compartment. All of the other batteries tested ok.

dgalvan
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Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:46 am
Delivery Date: 25 Apr 2014
Location: Woodland Hills, CA (Los Angeles)

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:52 am

In my case, the Leaf tech at the dealership (Nissan of Van Nuys) said that the Azuga Insight device I had plugged into the OBDII port was not compatible with the Leaf's systems, was causing it to throw upwards of 20 codes sporadically, and that they tested the 12 V battery and found that it was healthy. So they simply unplugged the Azuga Insight device and found that no more codes were being triggered. They surmised that the device was somehow causing the loss of power issues I was having, and said not to use it.

I was surprised as I had not even thought of it. I was using the Azuga Insight device as part of the California Road Charge Pilot program. It monitors number of miles driven and GPS location of the vehicle, and transmits that to Azuga so they can keep track of how much I am driving and produce a simulated "road charge fee". No money actually changes hands, this is just a pilot test to see how much people would pay if California decided to remove charge BEV drivers for road usage (since we don't pay gasoline tax and yet the roads still need fixin').

Anyway, the device had definitely had problems operating as it was supposed to (it took forever and troubleshooting sessions with Azuga to get it actually recording and transmitting), but I never considered that it might be throwing codes in the car itself, or that it could potentially lead to loss of power.

I'm skeptical that it's the real cause, but now that it's unplugged and the pilot program is over, I'll just wait and see if the problem occurs again over the next 6 months. If not, I'll conclude the tech was right.
2014 Leaf S with Charger Package (Blue Ocean)
Purchased 4/25/2014, Totaled (hit from behind on freeway) 9/20/2016

2016 Leaf SV (Glacier White)
Purchased 9/30/2016

dgalvan
Posts: 80
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:46 am
Delivery Date: 25 Apr 2014
Location: Woodland Hills, CA (Los Angeles)

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:45 pm

Update: The Azuga device was NOT the problem after all.

After receiving the car back and not having the Azuga device plugged in, the car exhibited the same symptom: When backing out of a driveway onto a busy street, when switching from reverse to drive, the car suddenly lost power and shifted itself into Neutral. I had to get out and push the car (containing my whole family) back into the driveway. After about ten minutes of turning the car off and on, eventually it started with the green car icon again.

I took the car back into Nissan of Van Nuys, and now after a couple of days they claim they have found the problem. It is with the "ECM" (Engine Control Module, I think). They don't have the part in stock, so they have to get the part shipped in, and they tell me it will take 2-3 weeks (!). Since it is a safety issue, they can't give me the car back until they get it fixed, so they're just letting me drive a loaner car for the next couple weeks.
2014 Leaf S with Charger Package (Blue Ocean)
Purchased 4/25/2014, Totaled (hit from behind on freeway) 9/20/2016

2016 Leaf SV (Glacier White)
Purchased 9/30/2016

dgalvan
Posts: 80
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:46 am
Delivery Date: 25 Apr 2014
Location: Woodland Hills, CA (Los Angeles)

Re: 2016 Leaf won't start

Mon May 01, 2017 10:38 am

Finally got my Leaf back after a couple weeks of waiting. They installed the new ECM. Only been driving it for a couple days, but all seems to be working fine so far.
2014 Leaf S with Charger Package (Blue Ocean)
Purchased 4/25/2014, Totaled (hit from behind on freeway) 9/20/2016

2016 Leaf SV (Glacier White)
Purchased 9/30/2016

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