16vjohn
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New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:19 pm

Hi Friends! I'm from Salt Lake City and I just took the dive and bought a 13' Leaf S. It was too good of a deal and my commute agrees with the range. I've had dozens of VW diesels over the years and recently sold back my 13' Passat, so VW essentially bought this Leaf for me with their court settlement. The Leaf is interesting for environmental reasons, but I bought it for the tech aspect. I've always been attracted to unusual transportation methods, so this fit the bill quite well.

I've also contributed to VW/Diesel forums for 15 or 20 years, so I was very excited to see a healthy community here for Leaf owners.

Anyway, enough about me, let's talk about the car. I'll dispense with photos as you all already know what it looks like. Suffice it to stay, it's boringly stock and in great condition. 43,000 miles with some, perhaps, higher than usual degradation. This car came from Arizona, so I'm guessing that's why. Check out these leaf spy details. Sounds like I can expect the 9th bar to drop off real soon if I'm using the car every day. What do you think? Looks like a display bug on some of the LeafSpy reports... I'll look into that.

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I appreciate the feedback!
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LeftieBiker
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:26 pm

Check the door sill manufacturer's label for the build date. If this Leaf was built before April of 2013, then losing the 4th bar fairly soon is a good bet. If it was built later, then it may lose capacity much more slowly if your climate is cooler. (I don't really know how SLC is in Summer.)
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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16vjohn
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:33 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Check the door sill manufacturer's label for the build date. If this Leaf was built before April of 2013, then losing the 4th bar fairly soon is a good bet. If it was built later, then it may lose capacity much more slowly if your climate is cooler. (I don't really know how SLC is in Summer.)


Thanks sir. I just checked and it's got a build date of 9/13... rats... lol. That's ok, the car is perfectly serving my expectations with its current range. The title was issued in October, so I still have about 18 months of use before the warranty expires.

Salt Lake has hot and dry summers. July, the average high will be in the 90's. There's always 2 or 3 weeks where the highs can get into the 100's but only barely. Nothing like Arizona though.

LeftieBiker
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:15 pm

If the nights (or at least the battery pack, like in a warm garage) stay warm during Summer, you still have a good chance. Sustained daytime temps in the 80s or higher, and nighttime lows in the 70s or warmer, are what speed degradation in later builds.
2013 "Brilliant Silver" SV with Premium Package and no QC, and 2009 Vectrix VX-1 with 18 Leaf cells.

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cwerdna
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:34 am

Welcome!

I think you have a pretty good chance to lose the 4th bar in the next 18 months. When it gets hot in your area this year, start QCing from a low state of charge to when the car when the battery is hot. Get the battery HOT and keep it that way. Get the temp gauge up to or into the red area. You wanna be like this guy. :) https://web.archive.org/web/20160903061 ... =9&t=22134

Go fast and do aggressive accelerations w/a hot battery.

Leave it outside in the sun and L2 charge it while hot. Leave it inside a garage if it's warmer in the garage than outside. Leave the battery at 100% charge or high state of charge for extended periods, esp. in the heat.

Even though you don't know when the 3rd bar was lost, if you could add your car to http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... 27.5.25.29, that'd be nice.

I feel you have plenty of time. Don't wait until you're a few months away from capacity warranty expiration before panicking and taking steps then.

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SageBrush
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Location: Colorado

Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:47 am

I agree, this looks like a very good bet to receive a new battery soon.

To add to Cwerdna's list of things that accelerate battery degradation, perhaps one of the "best" of them is to run A/C cooling while the car is stationary. And not far behind, letting the car cook on hot black asphalt.

OP: just remember to change your habits after you get a replacement battery :mrgreen:
2013 Model 'S' with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California with 63.9 Ahr after 22k miles
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

Ekendahl
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Leaf Number: 316944
Location: Somerville, MA

Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:37 pm

Did you buy the car with the idea that you would get a warranty replacement? Seems like a smart if a little bit risky. Will be interesting to see what happen to your car.
2015 Red Leaf SV,
Bought off-lease from GA in 2017. Still 12 Bars.
everyone knows that the red leafs are faster

16vjohn
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Ekendahl wrote:Did you buy the car with the idea that you would get a warranty replacement? Seems like a smart if a little bit risky. Will be interesting to see what happen to your car.


The guy I bought it from called it "the gambler's car". I got a good enough deal that I'd be fine keeping the car with the battery as-is. It could degrade to 50 or 60% and it would still fit my needs. That said, I don't intend to abuse the battery to cause degradation to occur faster. What I will do is use it the way that I feel it should be used as the car lives to serve me. That will mean 2-3 quick charges a week and nightly charging to 100%. I would even consider purchasing a new battery if I like the car enough. Nissan has been very careful to say that "the end of the warranty isn't necessarily the end of us supporting you". To me this means that if I hit 8 bars a few months after the warranty expired, they'd probably still meet me half way. VW has done that for me numerous times and they do it for customer relations.

Anyway, point being... No, I didn't buy it expecting a new free battery and I'll be pleasantly satisfied as long as the car can deliver a minimum of 30 miles between charges.

cwerdna
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:27 pm

16vjohn wrote:Nissan has been very careful to say that "the end of the warranty isn't necessarily the end of us supporting you". To me this means that if I hit 8 bars a few months after the warranty expired, they'd probably still meet me half way. VW has done that for me numerous times and they do it for customer relations.

It's been all over the map. viewtopic.php?t=20725 was 2 miles past and he had to fight. Others have fought. Responses have ranged from won to being met partway (sometimes as good as 80/20) to nothing, no help.

If I were in your shoes, I'd try pretty hard to get it down to 8 bars before the capacity warranty expires.

My 5/2013 built used '13 SV hasn't even lost 1 bar yet at ~43.5K miles and I know there's no way in my climate it'll lose 4 in time. I don't think even sending to bake in Phoenix will work in time, nor do I plan to.
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16vjohn
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Re: New Owner Introduction and LeafSpy metrics

Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:13 pm

Good advice. I'll definitely put it through its paces. I'll see where i'm at after this summer to determine if some coaxing is needed.

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