arnis
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:34 pm

It is possible to lose a percent in few days. But that requires driving and DC charging for no apparent reason.
Some here have been able to heat the pack to 12 temperature bars. At those temps degradation happens
in hours, not in weeks. SOH-Hx readings usually go up when doing DC-charges but eventually will go below the level
they started. This recalculation takes days so no progress seems to happen immediately.

If you are ready to take few weekends off to be with your car and going for a weird long trip that doesn't go anywhere,
it's definitely doable.

Without QC port it would be another story. Still possible with hot garage (within the warranty requirement limits).
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:44 am

peakay wrote:
peakay wrote:Sorry if I am not as knowledgeable as some others on here, but I wanted to get your take. We have a 2012 Leaf SL and its in service date was Jan. 3, 2013. I'm trying to estimate how likely it is we'd qualify for a replacement battery before the warranty expires on Jan 3, 2018?

Here are our stats now on leafspy lite: AHr: 47.80, SOH 72%, 384.0V 29,733 miles, 4QCs, 2391 L1/L2s

Its at 10 bars now, been almost a year since we lost the 2nd -- how likely do you think i is we'll see 8 bars by 1/8/18? We put about 10k mile sa year on the car the last 2 years.


Opinion needed on how likely battery replacement will be. My above message was from October of 2016 and here are our stats now (with 9 bars):

AHr: 47.13, SOH 71%, 391.97V 31,852 miles, 4QCs, 2579 L1/L2s

We have until the end of the year -- how likely would it be to achieve needing a new battery if this is a 2nd car putting maybe 5k on it? if we keep it, would plan to quick charge it to help get it there. We have until December of this year. Likely or a stretch?

Thanks!


Hi there, anyone have a guess or feedback on this? I am trying to give the local dealer a yay or nay on buying out the lease today. Don't want to do it if it's too big a gamble on getting the battery replaced.

The AHr went from 47.8 to 47.14 in about 2k miles. So if I need to get to the 43 range, would that mean we'd need to put another 11-12k on the car before December? if so, i think that is probably not going to happen.

Thanks!

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:19 pm

peakay wrote:
Hi there, anyone have a guess or feedback on this? I am trying to give the local dealer a yay or nay on buying out the lease today. Don't want to do it if it's too big a gamble on getting the battery replaced.

The AHr went from 47.8 to 47.14 in about 2k miles. So if I need to get to the 43 range, would that mean we'd need to put another 11-12k on the car before December? if so, i think that is probably not going to happen.

Thanks!


There were some that reported needing to be slightly under 42 before losing the final bar. It might be a little bit of a stretch to get there in one summer if your temps aren't that hot. If the buyout number was low enough it still may be some value, but I'd think you'd probably want to be in the under $5K range out the door.
2013 SL with Premium package - build date 5/13. 12 bar car with 47,000 miles and counting... Trying to nurse 12 bars to 60,000 miles and beyond if possible!

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:22 pm

silverone wrote:
peakay wrote:
Hi there, anyone have a guess or feedback on this? I am trying to give the local dealer a yay or nay on buying out the lease today. Don't want to do it if it's too big a gamble on getting the battery replaced.

The AHr went from 47.8 to 47.14 in about 2k miles. So if I need to get to the 43 range, would that mean we'd need to put another 11-12k on the car before December? if so, i think that is probably not going to happen.

Thanks!


There were some that reported needing to be slightly under 42 before losing the final bar. It might be a little bit of a stretch to get there in one summer if your temps aren't that hot. If the buyout number was low enough it still may be some value, but I'd think you'd probably want to be in the under $5K range out the door.


Thank you. Yes, I'm feeling like it is a bit of stretch and the car has very little value if it doesn't get a new battery full charge is only in the 50-60 mile mile range. Way too low.

Current dealer offer is about $5300 out the door. what do you think its realistically worth if it does get a new battery? 6-7k?

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:29 pm

peakay wrote:Hi there, anyone have a guess or feedback on this? I am trying to give the local dealer a yay or nay on buying out the lease today. Don't want to do it if it's too big a gamble on getting the battery replaced. The AHr went from 47.8 to 47.14 in about 2k miles. So if I need to get to the 43 range, would that mean we'd need to put another 11-12k on the car before December? if so, i think that is probably not going to happen.
Given your coastal location and low mileage, I think you'll have trouble. Figure that you need to get down to 42 Ah (some have reported higher), and you need to lose another 5 Ahr. I lose about 3 Ahr/yr, but I only drive 7000 mi/yr in town, inland PNW so hot (105-110 F) summers. You'll have trouble unless you really work at it (LOTS of QCs, high speed spirited driving, keep fully charged, drain to Turtle, etc.). Given the used prices, I'd only take it for $5000 AND a new battery. I doubt that Nissan will take that deal.
Reddy
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:35 pm

A 12 bar 2012 SL in my climate retails around $8500 or so. Of course trade-in or private party will look more like the numbers you posted. It seems like pricing is significantly lower in California.

If you're in doubt at all, it is probably better to turn in and lease a 2017 or buy something else.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:16 am

Just noticed my Ahr went from 45.35 to 46.4 in about 3 weeks. We've had some days in the 50's and some days below 30. I did get LBW warning yesterday (below 30 degrees) after about 38 miles of driving 40 mph.I was on the last bar with 3 mi on the GOM when I made it back home. I've seen it go up and down over time. Mostly down. But, this is definitely the largest increase I'e seen. I've charging to 100% all winter.
2012 SL. Clippercreek CS40-SG2. Battery replaced 10/10/17

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:51 pm

Amped wrote:Just noticed my Ahr went from 45.35 to 46.4 in about 3 weeks. We've had some days in the 50's and some days below 30. I did get LBW warning yesterday (below 30 degrees) after about 38 miles of driving 40 mph.I was on the last bar with 3 mi on the GOM when I made it back home. I've seen it go up and down over time. Mostly down. But, this is definitely the largest increase I'e seen. I've charging to 100% all winter.


how often do you QC? That can jump stats a bunch!
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:55 pm

For guys considering buying out leases with bad batteries, I just was quoted:

Brand new LEAF-S, with CHAdeMO quick charge and 6.6kW onboard charger, 30kWh battery for $33,000 minus $17,000 discount, $500 loyalty discount, $0 down, $299 month with California sales tax.

Residual 27% !!!!

Plus a $2500 California rebate check.

The total cost to drive the new car with new, bigger battery is $10,700 - $2500 for three years.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:07 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Amped wrote:Just noticed my Ahr went from 45.35 to 46.4 in about 3 weeks. We've had some days in the 50's and some days below 30. I did get LBW warning yesterday (below 30 degrees) after about 38 miles of driving 40 mph.I was on the last bar with 3 mi on the GOM when I made it back home. I've seen it go up and down over time. Mostly down. But, this is definitely the largest increase I'e seen. I've charging to 100% all winter.


how often do you QC? That can jump stats a bunch!



car only has 4 QC's. Last one was a few months ago.
2012 SL. Clippercreek CS40-SG2. Battery replaced 10/10/17

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