fbnella
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:25 am

Does anyone have any advice for some rapid yet legal battery wear? I have 3ish weeks left on my warranty and wondering if I can get this thing to drop the 9th bar.

47,000 ish miles
AHR 43.58
SOH 66%
Hx 45.37%

My biggest issue is that my commute is only 3-4 miles each way, so I don't get much daily driving in.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:55 pm

fbnella wrote:I have 3ish weeks left on my warranty and wondering if I can get this thing to drop the 9th bar.

I feel for you! That sure is down to the wire. The problem is that the "bars" seem to represent some sort of weighted average of capacity measurements over a longer period of time. So, no matter what you do, that 9th bar may or may not disappear within three weeks.

In principle, I really don't like the idea of intentionally causing a battery to degrade for warranty purposes. Our time and energy on this Earth is just too limited to waste on "negative" pursuits.

That said, if there's a long trip you'd enjoy taking in the coming days, you could opt to drive the LEAF and use CHAdeMO fast chargers. From where you are, maybe you could head for the mountains, the ocean, or the Gulf Coast. Whatever happens with the LEAF, you'd have the pleasure of a vacation, provided you can occupy your time while waiting for fast chargers.

Whatever you decide to do, it's not worth stressing over this. Some on this forum have been able to gain concessions from Nissan even after passing the warranty thresholds.
2011 LEAF at 71K miles, pre-owned 2012 Tesla S 85 at 98K miles
LEAF battery: 9/12 bars and < 49 Ah (-28% vs. new)
Tesla battery: 250+ miles of range (-5% vs. new)

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:36 pm

MrPowly wrote:I'm not sure this is the correct place to post, but perhaps someone can give me some advice. We are looking for a used Leaf, and the most tempting option locally is a 1st gen 2011 model with its original battery, but v low mileage (15k). I'm really struggling to know whether to be wary of buying an older vehicle even though its mileage is so low. My partner will be using it for a commute 25miles each way, with likely no option to charge at work, so will begin to be quite vulnerable to running out of juice once the battery capacity starts to drop off. The question is, should we expect this to happen very soon due to the age of the battery, or should it last a good few years, since it has done so little driving thus far?

Any opinions much appreciated!
No, this isn't the right thread to ask, but.... NO. A 50 mi RT commute with a 2011 will likely NOT work unless conditions are just perfect (e.g., 70F, no wind, rain, etc.). It might work this summer, but probably will cut it close this winter, and then by next winter you'll be running short.
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:05 am

fbnella wrote:Does anyone have any advice for some rapid yet legal battery wear? I have 3ish weeks left on my warranty and wondering if I can get this thing to drop the 9th bar.

47,000 ish miles
AHR 43.58
SOH 66%
Hx 45.37%

My biggest issue is that my commute is only 3-4 miles each way, so I don't get much daily driving in.


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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:25 pm

fbnella wrote:Does anyone have any advice for some rapid yet legal battery wear? I have 3ish weeks left on my warranty and wondering if I can get this thing to drop the 9th bar.

47,000 ish miles
AHR 43.58
SOH 66%
Hx 45.37%

My biggest issue is that my commute is only 3-4 miles each way, so I don't get much daily driving in.


Looks like you might be fresh out of luck. What I will say...a lot of users have reported a jump in stats when they push their car hard (deep discharge, multiple QC's etc). Whereas in my experience, daily charging and short trips tricked the BMS into reporting lower stats. When my wife started driving our leaf on a regular 40mile commute rather than my 16, the AHR jumped by 2 over a month or so. If you're already daily charging to 100%, parking in the sun, etc, then probably not much more you can do. Chances are that your battery health are probably already reporting lower than they actually are.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:05 pm

Well, I made it with 3 days to spare. It dropped the 4th bar over the weekend and I had it verified at the dealer this morning. They ordered the new battery and it should be ready too swap out next week.

47,588
43.31 AHr
66% SOH
44.94 Hx

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:20 pm

fbnella wrote:Well, I made it with 3 days to spare. It dropped the 4th bar over the weekend and I had it verified at the dealer this morning. They ordered the new battery and it should be ready too swap out next week.

47,588
43.31 AHr
66% SOH
44.94 Hx
Wow! Just plain wow!
Reddy
2011 SL; 9 bar, 46.44 AHr; 40,067 mi; rcv'd Aug 18, 2011
Long: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... al#p226115"
Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:40 pm

fbnella wrote:Well, I made it with 3 days to spare. It dropped the 4th bar over the weekend and I had it verified at the dealer this morning. They ordered the new battery and it should be ready too swap out next week.

47,588
43.31 AHr
66% SOH
44.94 Hx

Congrats!!!
2011 Brilliant Silver SL - 110,000 gasoline free miles so far.
4BL: 06/29/13 @ 27 months, 43,520 miles, 42.56 Ahr. New 12 bar battery: 09/09/13
4BLx2:12/31/16 @ 69 months, 99,475 miles, 42.99 Ahr.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:53 am

If the report and translation below is accurate, this Spanish Taxi is still in service after almost six years and about 181 k miles on the OE battery.

Of course, the driver probably has not been trying to damage the pack, just to get a free replacement...

Summer does not forgive. 5th autonomy bar lost. The good thing, "alone" is 9,000 kilometers to reach 300,000 km...

October 2011 (delivery)....

It is the Original Factory Battery. It has never been repaired or changed. You have lost 5 bars of autonomy. SOH 58% capacity, 13.3 KWh. Of REMAIN...

The numbers are very simple, for every 50,000 kilometers traveled you get a saving of € 5,000. In addition to saving on maintenance and breakdowns. One fact, the brake pads remain the original factory with less than 50% wear...

https://www.facebook.com/brubaker.nissa ... 7321297944
no condition is permanent

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:23 pm

I am doing a traction battery swap in the coming weeks (Dealer just ordered the battery).
Any advice on anything I should do before dropping the vehicle and then after picking it up?

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