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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue May 23, 2017 9:40 am

There have been several reports here Nissan came to their senses and now is willing to share the cost of a replacement for those who are just out warranty, I'd pursue that route before you're too far into out of warranty.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue May 23, 2017 10:10 am

drees wrote:Dropped to 7 capacity bars over the weekend.

39.29 Ah, 38.36 Hx, 169 GIDs / 139 GIDs 100/80%

About 2 weeks shy of 6 years of ownership and 61.5k miles - this last bar took about 9.5 months and a bit more than 8k miles.

Range at an indicated 4.0 mi/kWh is in around 36-38 miles to LBW and 44-46 miles to VLBW.

At this rate, losing about 0.5 Ah/month or 6 Ah/year or 2 kWh/year,...
Doing some math here:

Total loss of Ah capacity: 27 Ah
Average yearly loss of capacity over six years: 4.5 Ah/year

If you are currently losing 6 Ah/year, then your overall capacity losses are certainly accelerating.

I agree with others: You should give another go at getting Nissan to help out with a new battery. Perhaps you could contact one of the many VPs you met as a CAB member and ask if they could help out since you helped them out. Just a thought...
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed May 24, 2017 1:26 am

RegGuheert wrote:If you are currently losing 6 Ah/year, then your overall capacity losses are certainly accelerating.

Yes, see the attached chart which shows an acceleration the last couple years - I attribute the acceleration to an increase in commute miles and increase in charging to 100% instead of 80% in addition to deeper discharges.

screenshot-docs.google.com 2017-05-23 14-18-28.png


2011-2013 my commute was shorter - about 22 miles. You can see the blip in 2013 caused by the P3227 update. In 2014 I worked from until the fall and then commute increased to 30 miles. Started off 2015 charging 80% most of the time, that gradually increased to now where I only charge to 80% one day a week when I know I don't need the range, primarily just to get the GID number. It appears that either rate of capacity loss is increasing, or a combination of that and more time at 100% SOC is causing the rate of capacity loss. With the battery in it's current state, the lack of regen combined with tires that don't appear to be all that good in the rolling resistance department, charging to 80% gets me around 26 miles to LBW.
RegGuheert wrote:I agree with others: You should give another go at getting Nissan to help out with a new battery. Perhaps you could contact one of the many VPs you met as a CAB member and ask if they could help out since you helped them out. Just a thought...

I did that Monday. They say that it's a one-time process and they don't ever re-open the discussion for re-analysis. Once you open a case for a particular problem and your request for assistance is denied, they will never reconsider. There is no way to escalate it through the EV-hotline. The dealer tells me a similar story - there's nothing they can do to help - my only option for out-of-warranty assistance is to go to Nissan. Nonetheless, I'm going to call another time tomorrow now that I've had another 5-star battery test (my 6th
5-star report!)

I have one good contact from LAB - will try reaching out and seeing what happens should my phone calls fail to make progress tomorrow.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:42 am

didn't have my phone with the leaf app on it this morning, but my 5.3yr old 2012 dropped capacity bar #12 this morning. ~31k miles.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:22 pm

2011 SL, lost 3rd bar on 6/3/17 at 39,018 mi, 47.45 Ah, 72% SOH, 51.72 Hx. Occurred after charging to 100% and letting it sit for a few hours due to unexpected change in drive time. Same thing happened with the 2nd bar. I was hoping to make it through the summer or closer to my 6 yr anniversary. Given my degradation, I'm expecting the 4th bar to drop next summer, around my 7th yr anniversary. I'm losing about a bar per year, so this definitely makes the car useless more quickly than I had expected. I wonder what my chances will be next year for getting new battery for less than the ridiculous $5500 price?
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:19 pm

We lost our 3rd capacity bar sometime in april. It's amazing a month after the warranty ended. Wouldn't be supprised if nissan programed the computer to make that happen.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:47 pm

Martytdi wrote:We lost our 3rd capacity bar sometime in april. It's amazing a month after the warranty ended. Wouldn't be supprised if nissan programed the computer to make that happen.

No on the latter. Plenty of folks have lost 4 or more bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expired. They need to be in hotter climates, of course.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:17 am

I just hit 8 bars this morning (June 20, 2017). 58,760 miles. I'm the second owner so I had to call the dealership to find out the warranty start date: June 16, 2012. So 5 years and 4 days.

Sooo...

1) Is Nissan usually dickish about those 4 days?

2) I called 4 dealerships and not one of the service advisers I spoke to had heard of the Andy Palmer Dec 27 2012 press release promising replacements if the battery drops below 9 bars in 5 years / 60,000 miles. Blank stares all around. Is that an actual thing?

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:02 pm

EDIT: Changed # to 877: Call 1-877-NOGASEV and plead your case. Give them a sob story about being the 2nd owner, not able to make your commute, didn't know what you were getting into, vehicle isn't as advertised, etc. Good luck. There have been cases near the line where Nissan has relented.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:03 pm

Reddy wrote:Call 1-800-NOGASEV and plead your case. Give them a sob story about being the 2nd owner, not able to make your commute, didn't know what you were getting into, vehicle isn't as advertised, etc. Good luck. There have been cases near the line where Nissan has relented.


1-877-NOGASEV you mean. 1-800-NOGASEV is a spam squatter.

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