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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:28 am

Is there any point to the battery check from the consumer's standpoint ? I cannot think of any.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:44 am

SageBrush wrote:Is there any point to the battery check from the consumer's standpoint ? I cannot think of any.


It is required by the terms of battery warranty, so if not done timely Nissan may try to deny warranty work on your battery.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:48 am

Valdemar wrote:
SageBrush wrote:Is there any point to the battery check from the consumer's standpoint ? I cannot think of any.


It is required by the terms of battery warranty, so if not done timely Nissan may try to deny warranty work on your battery.

Reference, please

Addendum (my bolding) from the warranty booklet:

MAINTENANCE , DATA ACCESS, AND RECORDS

As a condition of this warranty, you are responsible for
properly using, maintaining and caring for your vehicle
as outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL and your
NISSAN LEAF SERVICE & MAINTENANCE GUIDE,
and maintaining copies of all maintenance records &
receipts for review by Nissan. You are required to perform
annual EV Battery Usage Report at intervals of
12 months, 24 months, 36 months, 48 months,
60 months, 72 months, and 84 months. These EV
Battery Usage Reports can be performed by a Nissan
LEAF certified dealer or any qualified repair shop facility.
The 12 and 24 month EV Battery Usage Report will be
performed at no charge to the customer, provided the
work is done at a Nissan LEAF certified dealer. Any
damage or failure resulting from a failure to have these
required services performed, or that could have been
avoided had these services been performed, is not
covered under warranty.


This is no different than recommended scheduled maintenance for any car and the onus of proof is on Nissan to show that a battery check would have prevented premature battery aging. Good luck with that.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:11 am

SageBrush wrote: Any
damage or failure resulting from a failure to have these
required services performed, or that could have been
avoided had these services been performed, is not
covered under warranty.


This is no different than recommended scheduled maintenance for any car and the onus of proof is on Nissan to show that a battery check would have prevented premature battery aging. Good luck with that.


Right, but it doesn't mean they won't try. You can take them to court and win, but it is a PITA.
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-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:43 am

Valdemar wrote:
SageBrush wrote: Any
damage or failure resulting from a failure to have these
required services performed, or that could have been
avoided had these services been performed, is not
covered under warranty.


This is no different than recommended scheduled maintenance for any car and the onus of proof is on Nissan to show that a battery check would have prevented premature battery aging. Good luck with that.


Right, but it doesn't mean they won't try. You can take them to court and win, but it is a PITA.
That is about as likely as Toyota refusing warranty for rust because you changed your own oil, or me suing you for writing PITA. It *could* happen, but there is no reason to think either of us would. And while I reserve the right to sue you if write PITA again, if I were you I would not worry about it. So DaveInOly is right: the battery checks are not required to exercise the warranty.

Have there been ANY cases of Nissan refusing to honor the battery degradation warranty based on missing battery checks ? I'll bet a lot of money the answer is no if for no other reason that the exemption was written with battery DEFECT in mind, not premature degradation.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:35 pm

You asked if there was any point to the battery check from the consumer's standpoint, I responded with a suggestion that not doing the checks may complicate warranty repairs which I think is a reasonable concern given the wording in the warranty booklet. I don't remember reading anyone reporting Nissan refused warranty service on the grounds of missed usage reports, but the fact the capacity warranty wasn't even there in the booklet for 2011/2012 Leafs and the capacity warranty amendment didn't call for usage reports, considering typically battery warranty work is a replacement under capacity warranty for earlier cars makes it a moot point. One difference is for newer Leafs the capacity warranty is pretty much there in the same document where the usage report requirement is so Nissan may have more leverage from that point of view. I think you're right, but ultimately everyone should decide for themselves if additional $50-60/year is a reasonable price to pay for a peace of mind.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:37 pm

From my perspective, it's a very simple decision: if you want/think you will qualify for a (warranty settlement) free battery pack replacement, do the yearly battery checks, even if they cost you $$ (mine did not). If not, then don't bother; for that reason, I won't be doing another (I'll never get a second warranty pack). Why give them any reason to deny your claim?
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:04 am

SageBrush wrote:
Valdemar wrote:
SageBrush wrote: Any
damage or failure resulting from a failure to have these
required services performed, or that could have been
avoided had these services been performed, is not
covered under warranty.


This is no different than recommended scheduled maintenance for any car and the onus of proof is on Nissan to show that a battery check would have prevented premature battery aging. Good luck with that.


Right, but it doesn't mean they won't try. You can take them to court and win, but it is a PITA.
That is about as likely as Toyota refusing warranty for rust because you changed your own oil, or me suing you for writing PITA. It *could* happen, but there is no reason to think either of us would. And while I reserve the right to sue you if write PITA again, if I were you I would not worry about it. So DaveInOly is right: the battery checks are not required to exercise the warranty.

Have there been ANY cases of Nissan refusing to honor the battery degradation warranty based on missing battery checks ? I'll bet a lot of money the answer is no if for no other reason that the exemption was written with battery DEFECT in mind, not premature degradation.


Or another question is has the battery check ever found an issue which was then resolved AND by resolving it earlier rather than later additional damage/repair cost was avoided.

I skipped a couple battery checks and Nissan still replaced my back under warranty.

AFAIK until proven otherwise battery check is the same as looking at the dash.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:11 am

QueenBee wrote:
I skipped a couple battery checks and Nissan still replaced my back under warranty.



My understanding is that the Klee settlement applies to the 5 year/60K mile replacement warranty, and there is no mention in that settlement of any required battery checks. I don't know if others who have researched the settlement can confirm or deny this.

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:16 pm

sub3marathonman wrote:
QueenBee wrote:
I skipped a couple battery checks and Nissan still replaced my back under warranty.



My understanding is that the Klee settlement applies to the 5 year/60K mile replacement warranty, and there is no mention in that settlement of any required battery checks. I don't know if others who have researched the settlement can confirm or deny this.


This is what I heard from a Nissan CS rep on the phone when I asked him some time back. This may well not apply to 2013 MY onward as the capacity warranty is now a part of the standard package.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB)
60.5AHr, SOH 94%, 105k miles
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