cwerdna
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:42 am

garsh wrote:
cwerdna wrote:"$35K" version was originally supposed to be available to order Nov 2017 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170731003 ... ations-faq).
Yep.

We all know that Tesla has never been able to keep a deadline (sorry - an "aspirational goal"). But they've always delivered the vehicles eventually. And when they do, they're really good, and keep getting better.

They cancelled the 40 kWh S and delivered the few that ordered at the time they could 60 kWh S software limited to 40.

As for "really good", it depends what you're looking for. In terms of straight line performance, range and performance, performance on standardized crash tests, (and an excellent DC FC network) yes. It helps that they're doing this by pricing their (already expensive) vehicles in a way that causes them to lose billions of $ every year.

In terms of reliability, not so good like the folks who were on their 7th or 8th drive unit on their S: viewtopic.php?p=531626#p531626 or the laundry list of repairs on Edmunds's S: https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2 ... ap-up.html including 3 DU replacements. Replacement rate of DUs on early years of S was terrible: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... st-1279598. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... histories/ at the bottom has average problem rates for vehicles for a given model year within a 12 month window, except for the latest where it's shorter.

The Model X is an expensive engineering and reliability disaster in large part due to the front and rear doors. I avoid vehicles with worse than average reliability rating. Model X was dead last at https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... able-cars/. The previous year, X was in the middle of the bottom 10: https://web.archive.org/web/20170706025 ... able-cars/.

Edmunds's X was terrible from a reliability POV: https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-x/2 ... ap-up.html. I have many pointers to terrible X reliability and those are just a fraction of the posts on TMC about it.

Edmund's 3 had a rocky start: https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-3/2 ... -2018.html but seems to have gotten better. I have pointers to over a dozen causes of drive unit failure on the Model 3.

How many motor/gearbox replacements have we seen here on MNL for any reason? It's virtually nil since the Leaf came out.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

garsh
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:39 am

cwerdna wrote:It helps that they're doing this by pricing their (already expensive) vehicles in a way that causes them to lose billions of $ every year.
Each S and X sold is a money-maker. The only reason why Tesla "loses" money is because they're investing in future development and production.
In terms of reliability, not so good like the folks who were on their 7th or 8th drive unit on their S
Yep, bad drive units in the beginning. They've been replaced under warranty. Current drive unit warranty is 8 years, unlimited mileage. There aren't many reports of bad drive units in S or X lately. Those initial growing pains are long over.
How many motor/gearbox replacements have we seen here on MNL for any reason?

How many battery degradation threads have their been?

The Leaf is a decent little car, but it has a HUGE FLAW - the battery. I understand why Nissan chose the cell chemistry that they did - It's extremely safe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz37WycW-7E
There have been zero reports of a Leaf battery catching on fire. But that's the only redeeming quality. It degrades terribly with heat, and the pack has no thermal management to speak of. I've seen no indications that Nissan has taken steps to improve their batteries yet. That's why I didn't buy a second Leaf to replace my first one.
2012 Black SV, 7 bars, 100,000 miles

lorenfb
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:46 am

garsh wrote:The only reason why Tesla "loses" money is because they're investing in future development and production.


Right! A typical corporate phrase used when near Chapter 11, e.g. a phrase used by Sears a few years ago.
Leaf SL MY 9/13: 70K miles, 49 Ahrs, 5.1 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 charges to 100% > 1000, max battery temp < 95F (35C), min discharge point > 20 Ahrs

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