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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:29 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:
adric22 wrote:Here's a chart like I was thinking.. I could fill this chart in and revise it more if people like it. The Leaf is an example where I could show minimum guaranteed range, EPA range, and maximum range.

There really isn't a minimum gauranteed range. If you switch on the heater and let it sit, the range is zero ;-)

Here is what I'd like EPA / Manufacturer to publish. 9 numbers in all.

- City/Highway range (like they do now, but at 100% charge only)
- City/Highway Summer range (with A/C on, 100 F outside, 70 F inside)
- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)

They need to revise their highway cycle. Make it average about 65 or 70 mph.


Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)

Yeah, 32 deg. should be spring/fall range (winter/rainy season for those of us who live in Mediterranean climates). And maybe we shouldn't stop at 0 deg. for winter. Let's rate the cars at their minimum operating temp or -22 Deg. F. (-30C), whichever is higher, and say what the temp is.
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)


Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)

Let's make it 16F ;-)
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:43 pm

evnow wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:
evnow wrote:- City/Highway Winter range (withe heater on, 32 F outside, 70 F inside)


Mostly agreed, but for winter range, let's be real and make the temperature 0F ;)

Let's make it 16F ;-)


Well, that works for me, but I was giving some allowance for our friends in Minnesota...
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:49 am

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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:53 pm

If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.

I have a 2013 LEAF and am waiting for the new Tesla 3rd Gen to come out on 2015-16 time frame. It maybe a long wait but the LEAF meets more than double our needs most days for work commuting. The 2013 is really better with more range and a battery that seems to be better in the heat. The Air Cond Heater is also a Heat Pump and twice as efficient as other EVs. I also leased a 2013 Focus so we can compare and so far they are very similar in range.

But my favorite is my ELF from Organic Transit in NC. www.OrganicTransit.com www.ELFowners.webs.com
It's more fun per miles and can go 1,800 MPGe on peddle and solar! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:55 pm

If you a heating, yes. If you are cooling, it is less efficient...

jstack6 wrote:The Air Cond Heater is also a Heat Pump and twice as efficient as other EVs.
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:59 pm

I have seen no verifiable source for such a claim... Citations please.

jstack6 wrote:If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.
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Re: EPA range guides and differences between cars

Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:59 pm

TomT wrote:I have seen no verifiable source for such a claim... Citations please.

jstack6 wrote:If you need more range you need to buy a Tesla. They even have a new battery coming in the 2015 S that has 40% more range and a 50% longer life.


I second that - where is this wildly unsubstantiated claim coming from?
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