TLeaf13
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:19 pm
Delivery Date: 06 Apr 2017
Leaf Number: 402991

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:45 pm

Today LeafSpy is showing my 2013 has the following numbers:

37,098 miles
AHr 42.43
SOH 64.88%
Hx 56.73%

1 QC
1458 L1/L2s

Yet the 4th bar hasn't dropped. I'm very worried that the car might be out of warranty too. I think it was originally purchased in March 2013. All my numbers are close, but slightly worse than what jasondNC posted whose car already lost the 4th bar. If Nissan considers mine out of warranty and if they charge $8,500 for a replacement battery (the newly reported current price) I may as well just trade the car in. It also has a "brake unit internal" issue which was quoted as $2,800+ to repair by the dealer.

I really like EVs, but so far this one that I bought just 15 months ago has been a downer.

cwerdna
Posts: 8278
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
Delivery Date: 28 Jul 2013
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:15 am

TLeaf13 wrote:Today LeafSpy is showing my 2013 has the following numbers:

37,098 miles
AHr 42.43
SOH 64.88%
Hx 56.73%
...

Yet the 4th bar hasn't dropped. I'm very worried that the car might be out of warranty too. I think it was originally purchased in March 2013. All my numbers are close, but slightly worse than what jasondNC posted whose car already lost the 4th bar. If Nissan considers mine out of warranty...

You should be able to figure out the original in-service date from Carfax or Autocheck, if you have it. Also, the Nissan service dept should be able to tell you.

You need to be down to 8 bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty expires (whichever comes first).

I found an earlier post of yours at viewtopic.php?p=509048#p509048. From how quickly you lost bars, you were almost certainly a victim of a BMS reset (like http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2014/11 ... -read.html). I don't know where you live so you either bought a 10 or 9 bar car, in actuality.

You probably also bought a defective KW-902 (warning at viewtopic.php?f=44&t=23776).

FWIW, my 5/2013 built '13 Leaf is still down only 1 bar (lost in late Nov 2017: viewtopic.php?p=511915#p511915) and showing these stats today.
AHr: 55.62
SOH: 85.04%
Hx: 80.55%
odo: 56,416 miles

I'm a hotter part of the SF Bay Area, but not the hottest. I've been doing what I can to baby the battery on most days. 4/2013 and later built '13 Leafs and presumably all '14 Leafs seem to be have better batteries.

I'm past my 5 year/60K capacity warranty now. I crossed the 5 year mark a few weeks ago. My stats are better than I expected as I don't think it was known that 4/2013+ batteries were better when I bought my Leaf used in July 2015.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

TLeaf13
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:19 pm
Delivery Date: 06 Apr 2017
Leaf Number: 402991

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:42 pm

My Leaf lost the 4th bar yesterday. Today I called the "1-877-no-gas-ev " number listed in the manual. They said the warranty expired in March and they cannot offer an out-of-warranty discount. No "good will" discount; not even 50% off like I have read that others received. Needless to say I am a very dissatisfied Leaf owner.

This car has been a financial disaster. I'm at a loss of what to do. Anyone interested in a 2013 Leaf SL with 38k miles and severe problems (bad battery, bad "brake unit internal", and needs new tires)? I never imagined switching to an EV would be so costly. Maintenance and energy costs are inexpensive, but repair costs are astronomical when compared to the other cars I've owned.

Right now I'm wishing that 16 months ago I would have instead bought the Prius I was considering. Live and learn.

cwerdna: I appreciate your post. You do amazing research. I believe my Leaf spent its first years in Sacramento. It was built in 2/2013. I regret buying this car. I so wanted to like it too.

LeftieBiker
Posts: 9568
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 am
Delivery Date: 31 May 2013
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:44 pm

Someone else here is posting that he wants a really cheap car, and can accept one that needs repair. What would you want for yours?
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

TLeaf13
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:19 pm
Delivery Date: 06 Apr 2017
Leaf Number: 402991

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:15 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:Someone else here is posting that he wants a really cheap car, and can accept one that needs repair. What would you want for yours?

I bought this car used about 16 months ago. I still owe about $7,500. I couldn't go much lower than that, unfortunately.

Becky50
Gold Member
Posts: 162
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:42 pm
Delivery Date: 02 Aug 2012
Leaf Number: 019032
Location: San Jose, CA

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:24 pm

Lost my third capacity bar on the 6th anniversary of purchasing my 2012 LEAF. (8/2/2012). My LEAF still meets the vast majority of my driving needs. Range is 60-65 miles.

hmmwv
Posts: 98
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:27 am
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:24 pm

Just waiting for my second bar to drop.

2013 with 53,144 miles, LeafSpy: 49.756 AHr, SOH 74%, Hx70.30% as of 08/20/2018

A huge drop in capacity since March when I had 55AHr and 84%, then again, we had a lot of 90 degree plus days this summer.
2013 LEAF SL w/Premium Pkg, Brilliant Silver, 55,244 miles, LeafSpy: 50.17 AHr, SOH 76%, Hx70.30% as of 11/05/2018, 10 bars, 28 QC, 2129 L2/L2

LeftieBiker
Posts: 9568
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 am
Delivery Date: 31 May 2013
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:29 pm

Build date?
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

hmmwv
Posts: 98
Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:27 am
Location: Seattle, WA

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:20 am

Update: just lost my second bar today. Build date is 03/13 so it's a canary.
2013 LEAF SL w/Premium Pkg, Brilliant Silver, 55,244 miles, LeafSpy: 50.17 AHr, SOH 76%, Hx70.30% as of 11/05/2018, 10 bars, 28 QC, 2129 L2/L2

LeftieBiker
Posts: 9568
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 am
Delivery Date: 31 May 2013
Location: Upstate New York, US

Re: Post Your Battery Degradation Results

Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:03 pm

I still shudder at how close I came to leasing an early build in 2013, as I (and everyone else) had no idea about that issue until 2015. My condolences.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
PLEASE don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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