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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:49 pm

With some effort 143 GOM miles is definitely possible. I had 112 showing when I picked mine with a new battery with no effort. My bet is on the clueless or lying dealer, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:26 pm

Those are Nissan miles of about 4,000 feet in length :roll:
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:47 am

I was told by a higher up at Nissan that it was possible but that they were first making sure that they produced enough batteries for the new production cars before it would be available for the older models. I am still surprised though that this car is purported to have one in it.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:07 am

I suspect that 30-kWh batteries will be the ONLY option for MY2011 to MY2016 LEAF replacements in the not-so-distant future.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:11 am

RegGuheert wrote:I suspect that 30-kWh batteries will be the ONLY option for MY2011 to MY2016 LEAF replacements in the not-so-distant future.


I tend to agree, once Nissan no longer has to source 24kWh battery packs for current (2016) cars. That could be as early as end of this year (they still need to keep a few "on the shelf") or sometime next year. That could also mean wait times for the "older" packs could become very long during the transition.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:04 am

RegGuheert wrote:I suspect that 30-kWh batteries will be the ONLY option for MY2011 to MY2016 LEAF replacements in the not-so-distant future.


I really hope that this is the case. I was planning on selling my Leaf when my Model 3 is available (probably realistically early 2018). If Nissan has a 30kwh replacement by then, I may just keep the car long term.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:07 am

Valdemar wrote:With some effort 143 GOM miles is definitely possible. I had 112 showing when I picked mine with a new battery with no effort. My bet is on the clueless or lying dealer, but I hope I'm wrong.


143 is quite a lot on the GOM. When my 2015 was brand new I tried to drive it super efficiently before charging one day in an attempt to get the highest GOM reading I could at 100% and the best I could do was 119. I have a friend with a 2015 as well and he basically coasts down the Santa Cruz mountains before plugging in every night (ending his drive with maximum efficiency) and when new, he was getting a best of 123, so this may very well be a case of the guy accidentally getting a 30kwh pack.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:36 am

I thought the 30k packs had a slight different chemistry and required a slight different charging logarithms? If so would they have to change the on-board charger as well or can it be adjusted via software?
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:06 am

BrockWI wrote:I thought the 30k packs had a slight different chemistry and required a slight different charging logarithms? If so would they have to change the on-board charger as well or can it be adjusted via software?


They could go 2 ways

1. put the pack in and change nothing, suboptimal but it would work

2. put the pack in and update the firmware, would then know the pack better, charge better, estimate range better, and so on.

either way it doesn't require changing the hardware for the charger.
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Re: 30kwh installed in a 2011 car?

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:34 am

Given the BMS resides in the battery I'd imagine the BMS to charger protocol is battery-specifics agnostic? If it is not it's bad design imo.
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