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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:40 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
PedalLogic wrote:
RegGuheert wrote:Thanks! Order placed.
...when I tried to view the video linked on page four of this thread regarding configuration and calibration, I got a message saying that video does not exist. Have those instructions changed? Are they provided with the product?

Hi RegGuheert,
The calibration process is very straightforward:

1. After physically installing SmartPedal, turn on the vehicle ACC—usually two presses of the power button WITHOUT touching the brake.
2. Briefly depress the accelerator pedal all the way to the floor and then fully release. It's done.

Changing driving modes is very simple too, but better explained by video. I had planned to upload a new video today (we made some slight changes in the software) but it looks like it will be tomorrow morning instead.

Marc

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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:03 pm

Thanks for the discount code, @pedallogic. Finally pushed me into ordering one for my 2015 Leaf last night and already got my shipping confirmation. Look forward to trying it out!

Also, I’m assuming we should probably remove this before taking the car in for dealer yearly service? Or would it be ok to leave it installed.

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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:57 pm

veezer wrote:Thanks for the discount code, @pedallogic. Finally pushed me into ordering one for my 2015 Leaf last night and already got my shipping confirmation. Look forward to trying it out!

Excellent news, and thank you.

veezer wrote:Also, I’m assuming we should probably remove this before taking the car in for dealer yearly service? Or would it be ok to leave it installed.

You can leave it installed. It's not detectable by the car or service tools and, frankly, the device looks like it's part of the pedal. SmartPedal is also "warranty safe" in that it doesn't cause the vehicle to operate outside it's normal parameters.

In case anyone out there is wondering warranties and aftermarket parts work, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (passed by Congress in 1975) enables consumers to modify their vehicles without impacting the warranty unless the modification itself causes the warranty claim (like adding a turbo charger and then blowing a head gasket).

Although drafted in response to abuses by auto manufacturers at the time, the law applies to all consumer products. It's why you can add memory or a larger hard drive to a new computer with voiding the warranty, for example.

Marc

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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:54 am

PedalLogic wrote:
Changing driving modes is very simple too, but better explained by video. I had planned to upload a new video today (we made some slight changes in the software) but it looks like it will be tomorrow morning instead.

Marc


I mostly agree with this. I didn't understand the written instructions, but Marc pointed me to a great YouTube video. Seeing it done made perfect sense, and it is straightforward.

The only thing I would add as a "wishlist" item is a way to change the mode without crawling into the foot well. I would love to keep this in Mode 3* 90% of the time, but switch to Mode 1* when I want a more spirited drive, but am less concerned about efficiency.

*Mode 1 and Mode 3 refer to the modes on the prototype model I have used. I'm sure they are a little different in the "5+1" model. The point is, I would like to switch between the modes more easily, depending on my mood.
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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:19 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:The only thing I would add as a "wishlist" item is a way to change the mode without crawling into the foot well. I would love to keep this in Mode 3* 90% of the time, but switch to Mode 1* when I want a more spirited drive, but am less concerned about efficiency.

Hi GetOffYourGas,
We actually developed a Bluetooth version about two years ago, but discovered that there was just not enough power at the pedal to drive the wireless and the 32-bit CPU. Undoubtedly in years hence the power requirements for BT will drop to the point it's feasible.

In the meantime, once you've changed modes a couple times while actually looking at the pedal, you usually have enough experience to do it without looking again—it's what I often do. Just measure the 60 seconds of pedal-to-metal while sitting with a smartphone and then tap away.

Marc

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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:39 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
PedalLogic wrote:Changing driving modes is very simple too, but better explained by video. I had planned to upload a new video today (we made some slight changes in the software) but it looks like it will be tomorrow morning instead.
I mostly agree with this. I didn't understand the written instructions, but Marc pointed me to a great YouTube video. Seeing it done made perfect sense, and it is straightforward.
I received the unit on Wednesday. Thanks for the discount and the fast shipping!

Here is some new-customer feedback:

1) The unit is compact and appears to be well-made, at least the little bit of it that can be seen from the outside.

2) I did the installation Wednesday evening without removing the pedal, but, as noted in the video, it was a bit of a challenge. The first issue was managing to pull up on the connector while simultaneously squeezing the release. My solution was to get a long screwdriver and gently pry up on the connector with one hand while squeezing with the other. After a couple of failed attempts, that worked. The bigger issue was achieving enough slack in the harness to get the SmartPedal to engage with the electronic pedal. The issue turned out to be that the plastic wire protector for the accelerator pedal wiring was taped to the plastic wire protector for the brake pedal wiring. Until I cut that piece of electrical tape, there was no way to get the clearance I needed to make the SmartPedal fit. I don't know if all of the LEAFs are taped this way, but it might be something worth noting.

3) I'm convinced that the lights do not flash in the manner described in this note. Specifically, it seems that the LED never stopped flashing. Instead, at the end of the process I saw a green LED flash twice and that seemed to repeat forever. Is it possible that the flash sequence has changed since that note was written? As it stands, I really am not sure which mode my unit is in. I thought I saw four orange flashes somewhere in the cycle, but I thought I read (or heard on a video somewhere) that the SmartPedal ships in Mode 2. Is it possible that my SmartPedal shipped in Mode 4?

My wife drives the LEAF, so I have only driven the car enough to verify that it works. Of course she was worried that it would not get her to work and back, but it has done that 1.5 times so far. 8-)

Sorry, but we don't yet know one way or the other whether or not the SmartPedal is saving energy. My wife said she did feel a difference in how the car drives, but she had a lunchtime outing which increased consumption over a normal commute. I'll let her drive it in this mode (whatever it is) for a while to see if we can detect any difference in energy usage.

Ultimately I'd like to see her move to Mode 6.
PedalLogic wrote:In the meantime, once you've changed modes a couple times while actually looking at the pedal, you usually have enough experience to do it without looking again—it's what I often do. Just measure the 60 seconds of pedal-to-metal while sitting with a smartphone and then tap away.
I'm glad you wrote that, because I had no idea from the written instructions about how to change the mode that you needed to hold the pedal to the floor for 60 seconds to get into the programming mode. Instead, I thought you just had to press the pedal to the floor (and release it) and wait for 60 seconds. Here is what is written there:
SmartPedal Knowledge Base wrote:3. With the gearshift still in park, press accelerator pedal to floor. The built-in LED will start to flash orange/green alternately once a second for the first 60 seconds.

4. From 60 to 120 seconds, the LED will switch to flashing orange/green twice a second. During this time, press pedal to floor and fully release a number of times equal to the mode you want. Do so briskly however: you have a 10-second window to make this change after the first push.
Note that in Step 4 the user is instructed to "press pedal to floor", but nowhere in Step 3 or the first part of Step 4 is the user instructed to release the pedal. That is why I thought what was implied in Step 3 was "press accelerator pedal to floor" and then immediately release. Perhaps it would be better to word the instructions like this instead:
RegGuheert's suggestion wrote:3. With the gearshift still in park, press the accelerator pedal to the floor and hold it there. The built-in LED will start to flash orange/green alternately once a second for the first 60 seconds.

4. From 60 to 120 seconds, the LED will switch to flashing orange/green twice a second. During this time, first fully release the accelerator pedal and then press the pedal to the floor and fully release the number of times equal to the mode you want. Do so briskly however: you have a 10-second window to make this change after you first release the pedal.
Of course, not having ever done this myself nor ever having seen any video, perhaps that is not what is intended. Can you please clarify?
RegGuheert
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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:24 pm

RegGuheert wrote:
PedalLogic wrote:In the meantime, once you've changed modes a couple times while actually looking at the pedal, you usually have enough experience to do it without looking again—it's what I often do. Just measure the 60 seconds of pedal-to-metal while sitting with a smartphone and then tap away.
I'm glad you wrote that, because I had no idea from the written instructions about how to change the mode that you needed to hold the pedal to the floor for 60 seconds to get into the programming mode. Instead, I thought you just had to press the pedal to the floor (and release it) and wait for 60 seconds. Here is what is written there:
SmartPedal Knowledge Base wrote:3. With the gearshift still in park, press accelerator pedal to floor. The built-in LED will start to flash orange/green alternately once a second for the first 60 seconds.

4. From 60 to 120 seconds, the LED will switch to flashing orange/green twice a second. During this time, press pedal to floor and fully release a number of times equal to the mode you want. Do so briskly however: you have a 10-second window to make this change after the first push.
Note that in Step 4 the user is instructed to "press pedal to floor", but nowhere in Step 3 or the first part of Step 4 is the user instructed to release the pedal. That is why I thought what was implied in Step 3 was "press accelerator pedal to floor" and then immediately release. Perhaps it would be better to word the instructions like this instead:
RegGuheert's suggestion wrote:3. With the gearshift still in park, press the accelerator pedal to the floor and hold it there. The built-in LED will start to flash orange/green alternately once a second for the first 60 seconds.

4. From 60 to 120 seconds, the LED will switch to flashing orange/green twice a second. During this time, first fully release the accelerator pedal and then press the pedal to the floor and fully release the number of times equal to the mode you want. Do so briskly however: you have a 10-second window to make this change after you first release the pedal.
Of course, not having ever done this myself nor ever having seen any video, perhaps that is not what is intended. Can you please clarify?


I had similar confusion until I watched the YouTube video. I like your revised wording. That is the process that worked for me, and had I read what you wrote I may not have needed to watch the video.
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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:03 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:I had similar confusion until I watched the YouTube video. I like your revised wording. That is the process that worked for me, and had I read what you wrote I may not have needed to watch the video.
If I could find a YouTube video on this topic that works, I would watch it, but as I noted last week, the one linked on page four of this thread comes up as "unavailable" for me
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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:03 pm

Hi Everyone,

Newest videos for calibration and changing modes. We changed the software about two weeks ago and were playing catch up on this item.

How to Perform the Optional One-time Calibration

https://youtu.be/QRc3JvCvrqI

How to Change Driving Modes

https://youtu.be/wMDo_G8TGrE

Note: I misspoke at the 1:22 mark in the changing-modes video. The LED flashes ORANGE, not green, a number of times to show the current driving mode.

I value and listen to customer feedback, so please post here or PM if you have suggestions for how to improve the videos.


Best,
Marc

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Re: pre-release testers wanted - range-extending technology for Leaf

Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:23 pm

RegGuheert wrote:Here is some new-customer feedback:

1) The unit is compact and appears to be well-made, at least the little bit of it that can be seen from the outside.

Thank you. Your feedback makes me think that at some point I should create a montage showing off the (also) high-quality components inside SmartPedal.

RegGuheert wrote:2) I did the installation Wednesday evening without removing the pedal, but, as noted in the video, it was a bit of a challenge. The first issue was managing to pull up on the connector while simultaneously squeezing the release. My solution was to get a long screwdriver and gently pry up on the connector with one hand while squeezing with the other. After a couple of failed attempts, that worked. The bigger issue was achieving enough slack in the harness to get the SmartPedal to engage with the electronic pedal. The issue turned out to be that the plastic wire protector for the accelerator pedal wiring was taped to the plastic wire protector for the brake pedal wiring. Until I cut that piece of electrical tape, there was no way to get the clearance I needed to make the SmartPedal fit. I don't know if all of the LEAFs are taped this way, but it might be something worth noting.

Noted. So far that is LEAF specific, and I should have mentioned that point. I'll capture it on the support site. I'm impressed you figured a way to wiggle that connector off in place though.

RegGuheert wrote:3) I'm convinced that the lights do not flash in the manner described in this note. Specifically, it seems that the LED never stopped flashing.

You are right. We just changed this sequence in the last couple weeks. Originally, after the boot sequence completed, we turned the LED completely off in order to save power. A large number of our testers interpreted this "off" as a broken unit, so we added the green heartbeat. Incidentally, the LED heartbeat really is timed to the rate of a human heart.

RegGuheert wrote:My wife drives the LEAF, so I have only driven the car enough to verify that it works. Of course she was worried that it would not get her to work and back, but it has done that 1.5 times so far. 8-)

We've had zero hardware failures in the last three years, so she's in good hands.

RegGuheert wrote:Sorry, but we don't yet know one way or the other whether or not the SmartPedal is saving energy. My wife said she did feel a difference in how the car drives, but she had a lunchtime outing which increased consumption over a normal commute. I'll let her drive it in this mode (whatever it is) for a while to see if we can detect any difference in energy usage.

We recommend comparing 400 miles pre/post installation to have a large enough sample size for confidence.

RegGuheert wrote:Ultimately I'd like to see her move to Mode 6.
Mode 6 is an example of over-correction: we set the required level of confidence for a correction to a really low level, which means the device continually overcorrects. Fair warning: especially on city streets, it will feel very slow. It's really for mileage fanatics.

RegGuheert wrote:Of course, not having ever done this myself nor ever having seen any video, perhaps that is not what is intended. Can you please clarify?

The two videos posted immediately above should address your remaining questions, but please let me know if additional info would be helpful. Support section gets updated tomorrow to reflect the same, fyi.


Best,
Marc

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