## Range in very cold weather

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### Re: Range in very cold weather

IssacZachary wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
How far would a 30kWh Leaf go at 1.5 miles per kWh?

Close to 50 miles. Call it 45.

Is my math wrong or are you saying that the 30kWh Leafs actual put out 34kWh of energy? (50/1.5=33.33333)

That would be awesome if it were true!

The way I see it a 24kWh Leaf only puts out 21kWh when brand new or 87.5%. So a 30kWh Leaf must put out about the same or (30 x 87.5%) 26.25kWh. Now take that and multiply it by 1.5 miles per kWh and you get 39.4 miles until dead, on the side of the road.

I think that the 30kwh Leaf only reserves the same amount (2 kwh) as the 24, but I don't know that. So I guess 40-42 miles. Don't you get more than 1.5 m/kwh when traveling longer distances?
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

webeleafowners wrote:So what worst case scenario would give only 35 miles in a 30 KW Leaf.

Battery capacity is measured in kWh, not KW. There's no "30 kW Leaf".

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### Re: Range in very cold weather

LeftieBiker wrote: I think that the 30kwh Leaf only reserves the same amount (2 kwh) as the 24, but I don't know that. So I guess 40-42 miles. Don't you get more than 1.5 m/kwh when traveling longer distances?

Generally yes. Of course it's all relative and dependent on various factors. I don't know about Canada but around here the highways tend to be better plowed than the streets. Also there's the fact that as far a the heater goes, the quicker you can get to your destination the better. Like being stuck in traffic for several hours waiting for the crew to clear an avalanche won't do your range very good if you keep the heater on.

But yes,I admit that 35 miles is a very bad worse case scenario.
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

FWIW, I'm in Ottawa and have a 15 SV (24 kWh battery) and have been getting around 70-80km range with the recent cold snap (it's been between 0F to 15F during my drives the past week). I should mention that my commute is pretty much all highway and I typically set the cruise to 105 km/h (65 mph) (which I think is actually closer to 100 km/h / 60 mph). If you drive on slower roads, it will certainly increase your range.

Below around 10F, the heat pump doesn't seem to make any difference.
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

I bought the 2017 SV 30kwh

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### Re: Range in very cold weather

Preheating the car while it's plugged into an L2 EVSE should work well enough given the short commute.
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

Side question about sub zero (F) weather:
Is it common to only have 3 or sometimes only 2 available "bubbles" left of regen when the battery is down to 3 temp bars? (SOC wasn't a factor since it happened at all SOC's during the day, I realize you get less "bubbles" when it's closer to 100%)

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### Re: Range in very cold weather

Yup, 3 bars and I usually have three bubbles on regen, 2 temp bars and 1 or 2 regen bubbles, no bars, no regen bubbles
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

I ran some errands this evening, using full heat at first and then Eco mode heat. I traveled 29 miles in mostly lower speed driving (no 55MPH at all) and taking minimal range extending precautions - mainly partial recirculate. I added about 10% charge at a Kohl's (the charging station cable felt like solid copper, and didn't want to bend), and got home with 17% SOC. I estimate my range under those conditions, in this +5 to 0F weather, is 35 whole miles. This with 12 bars showing, but one near dropping.
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### Re: Range in very cold weather

binks wrote:I bought the 2017 SV 30kwh

That's a very appropriate handle for a Leaf driver given what someone observed at https://priuschat.com/threads/star-trek ... st-2423421.

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