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Re: Range in very cold weather

Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:37 pm

Good idea.

I'm going to see if I can get it for a full day.

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Re: Range in very cold weather

Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:16 pm

None of the dealers in my area would even think about letting a new car out for a 24 hour test drive. I tried to set one up for a Bolt, and they basically ignore the request.
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:53 am

I live in Gunnison, where the temperatures aren't that different than Canada. It's -22*C (-8*F) right now. I've driven at -36*C (-33*F).

I got the Leaf because it meets my needs even in this weather. Actually it's quite nice to get in and have the heater start working from the start.

Yesterday I had to drive my ICE for the first time in months (it was a very unusual situation). Like always, I don't like to idle since that's actually worse for the environment and engine. But getting in and driving it wasn't any better. I drove 5 miles to my destination and by the time I got there the temperature gauge was just barely moving.

In my Leaf I always preheat the car on charging power when I can. Even off of the 120V EVSE makes a difference in range compared to getting in and having to use the heater without any charging power. The heated seats both front and back are nice since I do carry passengers in the back. This allows me to reduce heater use. The heat pump isn't of any help in reducing energy draw during the bitter cold. But now that things are warming up the heat pump should help raise efficiency from here on into June, as well as any cold days in July or August, and then become a daily used feature September onward.

I do get as low as a 30 mile range in my Leaf during the brutal cold. I did make sure I had a 6.6kW charger and a 40A 240V EVSE mounted on the house. That way I can come charge for an hour during lunch, or whenever, and get twice the charge rate as the 3.3kW charged Leafs do.

My recommendation would be to get an SV or SL. Make sure it has rear heated seats if you regularly have passengers in the rear. Make sure you get a 40A 240V EVSE. The limited worse-case-scenario of 35 miles in a 30kWh Leaf should be factored in your decision. But remember to explore charging options such as charging at work or along the way. 30 miles to work, charge, 30 miles back, charge during dinner and time with family, and then 30 miles to the store, family or friends and back, then charge during the night, can make for 90 miles total per day even in a worse case scenario.
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:25 pm

The limited worse-case-scenario of 35 miles in a 30kWh Leaf should be factored in your decision.


Did you mean 24kwh Leaf, or did someone actually manage to get only 35 miles from a 30kwh Leaf?
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:36 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
The limited worse-case-scenario of 35 miles in a 30kWh Leaf should be factored in your decision.


Did you mean 24kwh Leaf, or did someone actually manage to get only 35 miles from a 30kwh Leaf?

I've seen close to that with a 24kWh Leaf in sub zero temps, windy and maybe a bit of snow, I'd hope to get at least 40+ miles with the 30kWh Leaf.....
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:10 pm

jjeff wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:
The limited worse-case-scenario of 35 miles in a 30kWh Leaf should be factored in your decision.


Did you mean 24kwh Leaf, or did someone actually manage to get only 35 miles from a 30kwh Leaf?

I've seen close to that with a 24kWh Leaf in sub zero temps, windy and maybe a bit of snow, I'd hope to get at least 40+ miles with the 30kWh Leaf.....


So what worst case scenario would give only 35 miles in a 30 KW Leaf. At minus 10 you would still be north of 80. Does it make that much difference dropping another 15 degrees. ?
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:22 pm

Try driving at -30*F at night with two women in the car talking. Or when snow pack starts to melt after a freak winter called "snowmagedon" and you got to keep the pedal pushed nearly to the metal to keep a speed of 20mph. Once I got stuck in a snow bank with chains on... in a parking lot, and used several % you get out of it.

Anyhow there have been a few days I have averaged close to 1.5k miles per kWh, and many times couldn't keep that even on flat ground going a steady speed. How far would a 30kWh Leaf go at 1.5 miles per kWh?

But that's not every day. All January I averaged 2.4 miles per kWh. Now I'm averaging above 3 every day. By summer I hope to be averaging above 4.
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:48 pm

How far would a 30kWh Leaf go at 1.5 miles per kWh?


Close to 50 miles. Call it 45.
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:18 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
How far would a 30kWh Leaf go at 1.5 miles per kWh?


Close to 50 miles. Call it 45.


Is my math wrong or are you saying that the 30kWh Leafs actual put out 34kWh of energy? (50/1.5=33.33333) :mrgreen:

That would be awesome if it were true!

The way I see it a 24kWh Leaf only puts out 21kWh when brand new or 87.5%. So a 30kWh Leaf must put out about the same or (30 x 87.5%) 26.25kWh. Now take that and multiply it by 1.5 miles per kWh and you get 39.4 miles until dead, on the side of the road.
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Re: Range in very cold weather

Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:29 pm

IssacZachary wrote:Try driving at -30*F at night with two women in the car talking. Or when snow pack starts to melt after a freak winter called "snowmagedon" and you got to keep the pedal pushed nearly to the metal to keep a speed of 20mph. Once I got stuck in a snow bank with chains on... in a parking lot, and used several % you get out of it.

Anyhow there have been a few days I have averaged close to 1.5k miles per kWh, and many times couldn't keep that even on flat ground going a steady speed. How far would a 30kWh Leaf go at 1.5 miles per kWh?




But that's not every day. All January I averaged 2.4 miles per kWh. Now I'm averaging above 3 every day. By summer I hope to be averaging above 4.


Yah I can see that. Wow. I think I'll try to avoid those conditions. :)

Thanks for the info.

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