JohnKuthe
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I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:56 pm

Whew!

I did a LOT of fast highway driving in my 2013 Leaf then took an unnecessary highway loop (wrong exit!) and my displayed miles remaining on charge was zero or "---" coming home and it still got me another mile or so home off the highway exit home. Whew, never wanna do THAT again!

John Kuthe...

LeftieBiker
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:07 pm

The triple dashes mean "can't give estimate" rather than "zero." Isn't there another topic recently created about running out of charge?

EDIT: Here it is:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25081
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cwerdna
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:09 pm

JohnKuthe wrote:Whew!

I did a LOT of fast highway driving in my 2013 Leaf then took an unnecessary highway loop (wrong exit!) and my displayed miles remaining on charge was zero or "---" coming home and it still got me another mile or so home off the highway exit home. Whew, never wanna do THAT again!

IIRC, the GOM goes to --- miles when you hit VLBW (2nd warning). What's more scary is without Leaf Spy having % SoC go from say 5 to 7% to ---%. This happened to me: viewtopic.php?p=388984#p388984.

https://www.edmunds.com/nissan/leaf/201 ... r-end.html in the video drove an '11 Leaf (doesn't have % SoC display) down to dead.

Bottom line: If you want visibility into what's going on and not fly blind when you get do ---% remaining, use Leaf Spy!

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RegGuheert
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:11 am

cwerdna wrote:Bottom line: If you want visibility into what's going on and not fly blind when you get do ---% remaining, use Leaf Spy!
And why is that? Answer: Because Nissan, in their infinite wisdom, decided to take away telemetry information regarding the battery just when you need it the most.

I can only guess that lawyers were behind that awful decision.
RegGuheert
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JohnKuthe
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:10 am

RegGuheert wrote:
cwerdna wrote:Bottom line: If you want visibility into what's going on and not fly blind when you get do ---% remaining, use Leaf Spy!
And why is that? Answer: Because Nissan, in their infinite wisdom, decided to take away telemetry information regarding the battery just when you need it the most.

I can only guess that lawyers were behind that awful decision.


Figures! Freaking LAWS!! :-(

Namaste

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garsh
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:30 am

Heh. I do this (hit VLBW) every single day on my commute.

I'm kind of surprised that it took you five years before hitting VLBW for the first time.

If you want real pucker factor, try hitting Turtle when you're still a mile from your destination. I never hypermiled so vigilantly in my life. :o
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powersurge
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:49 am

garsh wrote:Heh. I do this (hit VLBW) every single day on my commute.

I'm kind of surprised that it took you five years before hitting VLBW for the first time.

If you want real pucker factor, try hitting Turtle when you're still a mile from your destination. I never hypermiled so vigilantly in my life. :o


So this guy is proudly abusing his car and looking to get a free battery.

GetOffYourGas
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:27 am

powersurge wrote:
garsh wrote:Heh. I do this (hit VLBW) every single day on my commute.

I'm kind of surprised that it took you five years before hitting VLBW for the first time.

If you want real pucker factor, try hitting Turtle when you're still a mile from your destination. I never hypermiled so vigilantly in my life. :o


So this guy is proudly abusing his car and looking to get a free battery.


You say abusing, I say using to the fullest. To me, abusing implies intentionally adding stress when it isn't needed.
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ldallan
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:40 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:You say abusing, I say using to the fullest. To me, abusing implies intentionally adding stress when it isn't needed.
I'm not an EE or battery-guru, but my understanding is that driving the Leaf to VLBW (dashes for both GOM and Percent Remaining) is somewhat hard on the battery ... the flip side of "babying the battery".

As controlled tests when we first got our 2015 Leaf "S" that was a 2 year lease turn-in with 14,500 miles, I did twice check what happened when the battery went to Turtle Mode. The power output was significantly reduced. I was slowly circling the block where the Nissan dealer was located, so I figured the risks were acceptable.

I did note that I could get about 10 miles at slooow speed from when the "Percent Remaining" went from under 5% to VLBW dashes"---", and then to Turtle Mode. The charger showed that the vehicle had an indicated 2% left. Whew. I haven't "Turtled" since.

I haven't tested having the battery depleted even further past Turtle to "lights off". If I did, I'd park at a charging station once Turtle was reached, and use the heater as a battery drain. I've no interest in pushing or towing the Leaf.

I don't have LeafSpy + ELM327, but that would seem a Very Good Idea for such testing for the extra curious who want more than a superficial understanding of the Leaf battery.

My impression is that the original leasing owner wasn't abusive to the battery. At 33,5000 miles, there are still 12 bars left. I would rate our battery care as being between "baby'ing" and careful.

GetOffYourGas
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Re: I rasn my 2013 Leaf to "---" or ZERO!! But In got home anyway! A mile or so.

Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:39 am

ldallan wrote:
GetOffYourGas wrote:You say abusing, I say using to the fullest. To me, abusing implies intentionally adding stress when it isn't needed.
I'm not an EE or battery-guru, but my understanding is that driving the Leaf to VLBW (dashes for both GOM and Percent Remaining) is somewhat hard on the battery ... the flip side of "babying the battery".


No, I'm with you there. I believe that it is somewhat hard on the battery. But I disagree with the claim that doing so crosses the line from "somewhat hard" to "abusive".
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