garsh
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Location: Pittsburgh PA

I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:03 am

I'm two days away from passing 100,000 miles in my 2012 Leaf. It just dropped bar number 8, so I'm now at 7 bars. Charges to 160 GIDs on a good day now. Range is now less than 50 miles, on a warm day and keeping the speeds below 55mph. I *think* I might still be able to make it to work with my 30-mile commute in the winter, but I'd have to start charging to 100% at both ends of the commute (and I can't use the heater, of course).

The Leaf is not a bad little car, but the battery technology is why I will never consider buying another one.
2012 Black SV, 7 bars, 100,000 miles

powersurge
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Location: Long Island, NY

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:27 am

I cannot understand how you can say you will never buy another Leaf? You have had the use of a great car for 7-8 years, and gotten 100K trouble free miles. And you can still drive the car locally for free until she don't go no more.... It has served its "first life's purpose"...

You Saved at least 3/4 $$ on your fuel bills (no gas), no maintenance, and still have a good running car with no signs of needing to be retired. Where is the down side?

Second life:
If you invest $5-6K into a new battery, you a) Continue to use a working appliance that is paid for (where its resale value is questionable), and b) Have the use of this "paid-off" machine for another 8-10 years.. Sounds like a win-win situation. That is what I hope to do with mine.

Evoforce
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Location: Fountain Hills Arizona

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:27 am

powersurge wrote:I cannot understand how you can say you will never buy another Leaf? You have had the use of a great car for 7-8 years, and gotten 100K trouble free miles. And you can still drive the car locally for free until she don't go no more.... It has served its "first life's purpose"...

You Saved at least 3/4 $$ on your fuel bills (no gas), no maintenance, and still have a good running car with no signs of needing to be retired. Where is the down side?

Second life:
If you invest $5-6K into a new battery, you a) Continue to use a working appliance that is paid for (where its resale value is questionable), and b) Have the use of this "paid-off" machine for another 8-10 years.. Sounds like a win-win situation. That is what I hope to do with mine.


It costs over 8 grand to have a battery replacement for a car that has poor resale value. Also if the car was involved in an accident, no way to recover expense. While all cars are technically disposable, this is way too short of a usable lifespan for most people IMO. By the way, in the past, I felt insulted by a Nissan mechanic when he told me not to buy the car because it was a disposable car...

There are now better options out there for BEV buyers. Maybe Nissan will get up to speed in the future and be able to be back in the game here in the States. Nissan rested on it's initial lead and was passed by...
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:50 am

powersurge wrote:I cannot understand how you can say you will never buy another Leaf? You have had the use of a great car for 7-8 years, and gotten 100K trouble free miles. And you can still drive the car locally for free until she don't go no more.... It has served its "first life's purpose"...

OP's delivery date says April 2012. He's gotten almost 6.5 years out of it.
powersurge wrote:Second life:
If you invest $5-6K into a new battery, you a) Continue to use a working appliance that is paid for (where its resale value is questionable), and b) Have the use of this "paid-off" machine for another 8-10 years.. Sounds like a win-win situation. That is what I hope to do with mine.

It cannot be had for even $6K anymore. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25882 and many more (esp. near the end of the thread) are reports that beyond $6K.

I've never had to spend $7K to $8.5K to replace some item or performance some maintenance on a car that has hit 6.5 or 7 years old, that also has little value. Besides the other issues already mentioned, some expensive out of warranty items could fail like the brake master cylinder (viewtopic.php?t=21203), heater or on-board charger or something with the stereo head unit.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

alozzy
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:43 am

@garsh Bummer, that limited range sucks for sure...

I'm curious though, do you still get decent regen?
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

garsh
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Location: Pittsburgh PA

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:23 pm

alozzy wrote:I'm curious though, do you still get decent regen?

Heh. No. Nissan decided to severely limit regen as the battery degrades. I actually had to replace all four brake pads at ~90k miles.
2012 Black SV, 7 bars, 100,000 miles

garsh
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:37 pm

powersurge wrote:I cannot understand how you can say you will never buy another Leaf?

A car that Nissan originally touted as having a 90-mile range, and which the EPA rated as having a 72-mile range, now shows 45 miles of range when fully charged. I have a 60-mile round-trip commute. Luckily, I can charge on both ends, or I would have had to replace it two winters ago.

Come this winter, there are going to be some cold, snowy days when this car simply isn't going to have the range to make it to work. I need to replace this car. But no worries, I've already obtained a replacement. ;)

I put 175k miles on the car that I traded in for the Leaf. It's disappointing to me that the Leaf can't last as long. Therefore, I will not be buying another.
And you can still drive the car locally for free until she don't go no more....

The problem is, I need a car that can get me to work. But I have a 16yo on a learner's permit, so I'll keep the Leaf for him to use locally. But hopefully you understand why I will not be buying another. There are better options available today. Nissan needs to demonstrate better battery longevity if they want to compete.
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2012 Black SV, 7 bars, 100,000 miles

DarthPuppy
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Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:33 pm

Sorry to hear the Leaf is no longer working well for your commute. Congrats on the Model 3.

And keeping the Leaf as a first car for a teenager who probably won't be driving long ranges anyway is an excellent 2nd life for it.

I hear you about the desire to not have these be disposable cars after 6-8 years. But that is one advantage to a new one. If the 24kwh battery worked well for 6 years, the 40 kwh battery would have quite a bit more room for degradation before it becomes disposable. So that should translate to a 10-15 year car. But with your commute, the Model 3 is an excellent choice.
'13 Leaf SL
'18 Honda Clarity Touring PHEV

BuckMkII
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Location: Seattle

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:49 am

DarthPuppy wrote:And keeping the Leaf as a first car for a teenager who probably won't be driving long ranges anyway

A teenager who DEFINITELY won't be driving long ranges! ;) Hopefully he understands that going more than 20 miles from home (or less if using the heater) is simply impossible.
2013 SV no QC, built July 2013
car grew up in San Jose CA, purchased 5/31/17 in Seattle
on 6/16/17: AHr = 56.4; SOH = 86%; Hx = 84.3; ODO = 39,250
bar 12 lost 8/21/17
on 8/23/18: AHr = 54.6; SOH = 83.5%; Hx = 78.2; ODO = 49,746

SageBrush
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Location: Colorado

Re: I've joined the 7 bars club

Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:03 am

DarthPuppy wrote:I hear you about the desire to not have these be disposable cars after 6-8 years. But that is one advantage to a new one. If the 24kwh battery worked well for 6 years, the 40 kwh battery would have quite a bit more room for degradation before it becomes disposable. So that should translate to a 10-15 year car.

(38/22)*6 = 10.3 years.

A definite improvement over the first gen LEAFs if the simple calc holds true but still no where near the level of a garden variety ICE or a Tesla.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado
3/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
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