sklancha
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:26 am

Brenthasty wrote:4.6 m/kwh @ 62 mph in my aeromodded leaf.

See my other thread describing the grille block, solid disc hubcaps, and tire cheek aero deflectors.


BRENTHASTY- are you averaging 4.6m/kwh? If so, does this mean you are able to drive 100 miles per charge and still have about a 10 mile reserve?? If this is so, I am very interested in what 'aeromodds' you've done and anything else you are doing to help out your mileage.

I pick up my Leaf this upcoming weekend. I was under the assumption that a Leaf should be able to push 100 miles per charge with routine EV tricks of the trade being implemented, such as drafting, regen, minimize climate control, etc. I've been sadly informed that my 100 mile marker is an improbability...


Angel

Brenthasty
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:07 am

Yes, I have seen up to 105 mi per charge available from this aeromodded 2012 leaf.

Just today's stats:

Aeromodded Nissan Leaf pulling a 3 point tractor scraper box on a utility trailer. Getting 3.6 mi/kwh 122 mpg @60 mph over a 100 mile average.

Leaf pulling a empty utility trailer. Getting 4.1 mi/kwh 138 mpge @60 mph over a 100 mile average.

Aeromoded nissan leaf gets 162 mpg with improved aerodynamics increased range. http://fireplacefurnaces.blogspot.com/2 ... roved.html

minispeed
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:09 pm

sklancha wrote:
Brenthasty wrote:4.6 m/kwh @ 62 mph in my aeromodded leaf.

See my other thread describing the grille block, solid disc hubcaps, and tire cheek aero deflectors.


BRENTHASTY- are you averaging 4.6m/kwh? If so, does this mean you are able to drive 100 miles per charge and still have about a 10 mile reserve?? If this is so, I am very interested in what 'aeromodds' you've done and anything else you are doing to help out your mileage.

I pick up my Leaf this upcoming weekend. I was under the assumption that a Leaf should be able to push 100 miles per charge with routine EV tricks of the trade being implemented, such as drafting, regen, minimize climate control, etc. I've been sadly informed that my 100 mile marker is an improbability...


Angel



With lightweight wheel and tire combo with high psi (15in 31lb total, Nokian winters at 51PSI cold) today I was able to get 4.9 miles/kWh using the climate control (heat pump) and temps around 40F with highway speeds around 60 mph. In the summer on the stock 16s 5.25 with highway trips just under 60 mph and 6.25 keeping to side roads wasn't too hard. Drafting works, regen is up for debate here so I know this will get comments back. Try to use it as little as possible, coast if possible and only use regen when you know you'll have to stop no matter what.

I never got around to the grill block before the temp got too cold for me to go out and try it and I'll be adding the mud flaps to the front (off the car now) when it gets warm enough to work on the car outside.
2015 White SV, after one month 292 GIDS
Best 1 charge drive, 229km (143miles)

rexki
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:00 pm

Did some research on What the LeafStat says, what the On-board GOM says, what Carwings says, and the real beef - The utility meter says

Goal: Determine the real usage that I pay for on my bill that is attributable to the Leaf and its Charging equipment.

Problem: Had about 300 kwh unaccounted between Carwings (and spreadsheet) from my Utility bill typical usage for Feb 2015 and past Febuary's

Solution #1: Test the charging equipment at the utility meter in a timed isolated fashion and see what impacts before and after the designed test. The test was to measure 1 kWh at the meter solely attributable to the AV EVSE-RS on 2 hot wires that are at 122.7 volts as I type this post test message. Before the test take measurements of Leaf both GOM, and Carwings, and LeafStat/OBDII wifi.

Start Points (max GIDs is 292):
House base watts with only small fixed usage device on = 84 watts
Meter reading kWh 29,159
Reported Air Temp = 50F
GOM = 76 miles
GIDS = 199
LeafStat kWh = 15.42
SOC = 69.69
SOH = 97.14
HX = 98.77
Ahr = 64.36
BatteryTemp=51F

Steps:
1. Turned off all circuit breakers down to a whole house wattage of 84 watts
2. Took the readings above
3. Turned on the kill switch to the EVSE and then plugged to car - not charging. Measured standby at 2-3 watts
4. Started Cell phone timer when charging was initiated on EVSE and light when on.
5. Observed wattage on internal CurrentCost house wattage meter at 5,590 watts
6. Stood outside the house at the ComEd utility meter and waited for the kWh to jump to 29160 - at 3 min 1 sec it did - hit lap on phone timer now in 1 kWh hour test.
7. Estimated 1 kWh at 9 min 9 seconds for a true 6,600 watts that are specified on the unit. True time was 9 min 4 sec - approx give or take 2 seconds.
8. ran over to the car 20 seconds later and stopped the charger and pulled the kill switch to off.
9. Took post test measurements as follows:

[b]Stop Points [/b]:
Meter reading kWh 29,161 Delta of 1 kWh plus 3 min and 4 seconds (kWh Usage to be extrapolated)
Reported Air Temp = 50F
GOM = 82 (Delta: 82-76 = 6 miles)
GIDS = 215 (Delta: 215-199 = 16 GIDS)
LeafStat kWh = 19.66 (Delta: 19.66-15.42 = 4.24 kWh)
SOC = 74.58 (Delta: 74.58-69.69 = 4.89%)
SOH = 97.14 Delta=None
HX = 98.77 Delta=None
Ahr = 64.36 Delta=None
BattTemp=52.3 (Delta: 52.3-51 = 1.3F)

Calculations:
At house meter watts for the charger from HH:MM:SS: 00:03:04 to 00:12:05 - 00:09:04 computes to:
3,600 / 544 seconds = 6,618 watts total less Base house of 84 watts = net Charge watts = 6,534

Add 3 min 4 second interval charge to the batteries to get a kWh meter start point of 29160:
.334 kWh (6,534 watts * 184 seconds / 3,600 seconds / 1,000 watts)

total charge to Leaf batteries per the House meter = 1.0 + .334 = 1.334 kWh - This is what I paid for!!

What shows up on the post report is:
GIDS LeafStat @ 80 watts each? Delta: 16 * 80 comes to 1.28 kWh
SOC LeafStat Delta 4.89% times 24kw comes to 1.1736 kWh
LeafGOM delta 6 miles for Leaf computer average of 3.5 miles/kWh would be a GOM kWh = 1.71 kWh - (Guess O' watts)

If I throw out the 1.71 and average the first two - I get 1.227 kWh

Actual at the house within reason is 1.334 or higher since it comes on its hardest initially.

Conclusion:
Efficiency percentage in this 12 min charge test is: 1.334 - 1.227 = .107 divided by 1.334 = 8% loss or 92% made it to the batteries.

The Threads requirements:
Inception to date: Miles = 1,884 Carwings kWh = 533 Average 3.38 miles/kWh
Average electrical cost per kWh - Time of Use (TOU) customer - Total bill average rate is 0.12 - night time average = 0.08
Carwings Cost per mile is 533 * 0.12 / 1,884 = 3.4 cents per mile - TOU = 2.3 cents
True cost per mile is 533/.92 *.12 / 1,884 = 3.7 cents per mile - TOU = 2.5 cents
2015 Leaf SL - GMSilver - Mfg:11/14 - AV-EVSE-RS 6.6kw - 19,200 miles - 285 gids 95.38% 63.04Ahr - 4.029m/kwh - Data:1/23/16
2006 Honda CNG GX - blue - PZEV - 50 mpg
2001 Honda Odyssey EX Van - green - I rebuilt engine and trans - oily carbon mess!!

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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:33 pm

Getting 5.5 miles per kWh on the efficiency gauge with city driving. This seems to be 0.6 too high based on odometer readings versus battery level indicator changes. GOM seems to be pretty close on our 2015 S.

So the car's range is 4.9 x 21.3= 104 miles for the last full charge matching GOM. The usable capacity is a guess at this point.

Wall= 4.9 x .78 (120 volt EVSE)= 3.8 miles/kWh. Better than 2.9!
2015 Leaf S

NeilBlanchard
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:14 am

If you have a Leaf S, then the odometer is probably reading ~2.3% too high (at least). The tire size on the S is smaller outside diameter.

So this affects the dash efficiency rating, and if you are able to measure the charge at the wall, you will need to calibrate the miles driven to see the actual efficiency.

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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:If you have a Leaf S, then the odometer is probably reading ~2.3% too high (at least). The tire size on the S is smaller outside diameter.

So this affects the dash efficiency rating, and if you are able to measure the charge at the wall, you will need to calibrate the miles driven to see the actual efficiency.


It depends upon tire pressure. The odometer in my 2011 was accurate with its 16-inch tires inflated to 44 psi (my normal pressure), but slightly optimistic with lower pressures. With 44 psi in the 17-inch tires on my 2015, the odometer indicates slightly less than actual distance traveled.

The miles/kWh display on the dash and navigation unit is/was ridiculously inflated on both cars compared to true wall-to-wheels measurements. The wall-to-wheels efficiency is about 75% of what the dash displays.

Gerry
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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:46 am

Higher pressure has a very small effect on the OD of the tire. It cannot change the OD beyond the spec OD, though, and the 16" tires used on the S are ~2.3% smaller than the 17" tires used on the other models. I know because I checked the odometer accuracy on my Leaf S two different ways - comparing it to my GPS and to Google Maps.

In the past, with other cars, I have used the measured mileage on some limited access highways - and all three methods are very, very close. I have kept fuel logs for over 7 years now, and I have recalibrated for several different sets of tires, in various states of tread depth.

I think there are folks here on the forum who have tracked the difference between the dash display and the actual charge at ~14-15%, which is in line with typical wall-to-wheels efficiency for many EV's. I have measured the wall-to-wheel number vs the dash on my e-Golf and it is ~15%. On the Leaf, I had too short distance, and it was higher.

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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:40 am

Long term MPGe results at high speeds and high loads, nearly 50% better than stock with a few simple aerodynamic improvements.

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Re: I Beat EPA's 2.9 Miles/KWh : Report Your Monthly Mileage

Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:25 pm

It's ideal weather lately for driving the Leaf. No AC or heating is needed. Efficiency lately is 6.0 miles/kWh in the car and 4.65 at the wall. We are still charging with 120V and it's app. 60 foot run of 14 AWG from the basement breaker up through two house receptacles and then into the garage. The sockets are all new and tight, but 77.5% efficiency at the wall is poor. We will install 240V wiring soon and hopefully get it up to 91% wall efficiency. 184 MPGe would be outstanding, but 157 city is good too!

The Leaf is perfect for our local needs. Average speed for city and neighborhood driving is 22 MPH. Tires are inflated to 40 PSI.
2015 Leaf S

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