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Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:35 am

When I first got into the Leaf my first reaction was to push the shift lever to the right and forward to go forward. Pushing it back to go forward seemed counter-intuitive.

A friend had the same reaction.

I wonder how may others feel the same way?

(There are really only two positions in the leaf: forward and backward, unlike older cars that have many positions on that lever. So why not make forward and backward make sense?)

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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:44 am

Wife and I had the same reaction. Both of us thought it was odd.
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:38 am

LOL, my wife asked me if I could somehow switch it. She keeps asking why you don't push it forward for forward and backwards for reverse. I am sure we will get used to it, but why, why the heck is it backwards from the actual desired direction of travel.
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:36 am

Pushing a gear lever hard to the left (sometimes with accompanying pull or push of the lever) and forward is where you find Reverse in most European cars that have stick shift (and in Europe, most of them are). On Asian brands, Reverse is generally hard to the right, then back.
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:05 am

Think of a floor mounted shifter on an ICE and which direction you go from neutral for D or R... It is the same as the Leaf...
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:01 am

And the same as the Prius and all the rest of Japanese with electronic shifters like this.
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:31 pm

TomT wrote:Think of a floor mounted shifter on an ICE and which direction you go from neutral for D or R... It is the same as the Leaf...

Well the ICE vehicles should be changed also.

The ICE traditional P-R-N-D-L was invented as the lowest cost for the mechanical control of the transmission to be used safely.
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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:39 pm

JustBobF wrote:When I first got into the Leaf my first reaction was to push the shift lever to the right and forward to go forward. Pushing it back to go forward seemed counter-intuitive.

A friend had the same reaction.

I wonder how may others feel the same way?

Please name other automatic/CVT or single-speed transmission vehicles currently shipping in the US where they have the design you desire and name their cumulative unit sales or at least annual unit sales. How about your friend?

When you drive an automatic w/floor mounted shifter, when you go from P to D, which direction do you move the shifter? Same question for when you're in D or N and you want to go to R.

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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:46 pm

>>>When you drive an automatic w/floor mounted shifter, when you go from P to D, which direction do you move the shifter? Same question for when you're in D or N and you want to go to R.

The other shifters probably start with Park in the forward position. The Leaf starts with Park off to the Right. There are only two possible forward and back positions on the Leaf from the Park or Neutral positions. I think this makes the Leaf shifter fundamentally different from the others, I think.

But, it is not for us to decide, that is for Nissan. I just hope they see these posts and conduct a feasibility and blink-test study and see what most people do when they get in the car for the first time.

Other cars have the shifter on the steering column; that is also fundamentally different and does not apply here, I think.

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Re: Swop Reverse and Drive Positions on the Stick Shift

Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:50 pm

JustBobF wrote:>>>When you drive an automatic w/floor mounted shifter, when you go from P to D, which direction do you move the shifter? Same question for when you're in D or N and you want to go to R.

The other shifters probably start with Park in the forward position. The Leaf starts with Park off to the Right. There are only two possible forward and back positions on the Leaf from the Park or Neutral positions. I think this makes the Leaf shifter fundamentally different from the others, I think.

But, it is not for us to decide, that is for Nissan. I just hope they see these posts and conduct a feasibility and blink-test study and see what most people do when they get in the car for the first time.

Again, what's the behavior on a floor mounted automatic when starting from P then going to D? What about from D or N to R?

And again, please name currently sold in the US light vehicles and their sales figures w/the behavior you desire.

As I cited in the other thread, there have been more than 3 million Priuses sold already and almost all of them have the same shifter behavior as the Leaf. The only ones that don't were the steering column shifter mounted NHW10 (JDM only that sold in tiny numbers) and NHW11 (the 1st gen we got in the US, sold in tiny numbers compared to all the ones that followed: NHW20, ZVW30 (current gen), ZVW41 Prius v wagon, etc.)
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