powersurge
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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:23 am

I have been driving for 40 years, and owned over a dozen cars. I have never noticed that I can't see the road...
Maybe you: a) Are driving too fast, or b) You are getting older and have lost your night vision or need glasses? :lol:

Arlington
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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:52 pm

^ not helpful. I'm reviving a thread I didn't start, so I'm not alone in wondering about more light and seeing better laterally

Specifically, the headlights produce little reflection from the asphalt (wet or dry) and minimal from reflective paint pavement markings. It is as if only two small bore tubes of light were being cast, perhaps 3' in diameter, centered 4' off the pavement, adequate only for pinging marking reflectors and stop signs

The net effect is that it is (1) hard to tell by looking if my headlights are on or making any difference (2) that I have been surprise once per month by pedestrians who were hard to see on the periphery (a common complaint about not being able to see pedestrians)

So returning to the point of this thread, my 2013 S's headlights appear to have been designed to get help from wide-angle fog lights I don't have. What do folks think is the best solution:
1) brighter headlights (and hope some "leaks" to the side and elsewhere)
2) headlight bulbs specifically designed to spread new light laterally
3) supplemental bulb(s) on the grille or in the fog light position that throw more light low and to the side

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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:20 am

I don't have that problem, I have the halogens, and see great! HEE HEE...

Seriously, I do not think that fog lights are legally there to be used in addition to the headlights because you can blind other drivers. I have another car with those headlights, and never saw a problem. Sounds like this is a subjective problem of some people, like any other personal peeve with a car.

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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Sun Dec 06, 2015 5:25 pm

powersurge wrote:I don't have that problem, I have the halogens, and see great! HEE HEE...

Seriously, I do not think that fog lights are legally there to be used in addition to the headlights because you can blind other drivers. I have another car with those headlights, and never saw a problem. Sounds like this is a subjective problem of some people, like any other personal peeve with a car.


Hi powersurge - foglights are not the main issue here. The main issue is seeing to the side, particularly with the early Leaf LEDs (I am not familiar with whatever headlight updates NIssan has instituted - maybe this is a solved issue?). In that circumstance, I do not think this is a subjective issue, nor do your comments appear to reflect you've given any thought to it before saying it's subjective. I was just a night or two ago driving along and once again reflecting how ridiculously difficult it is to see (from this 2012 Leaf SL, and not from my other car) as I turn around a corner at night in my neighborhood. Sometimes I guess it helps a bit momentarily to use my brights.
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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:11 pm

Fog lights aim steeply down. The do not blind other drivers. Technically they are configured to reach out and down via the relatively-less hazy zone close to the ground and may supplement low beams (high beams blind and worse, tend to make any fog worse due to fog being thicker 2' off the ground.
I happened to rent a Kia Forte this weekend and loved how the fog lights lit up the nearest 15' on the front corners of the car. They were on only in "marker" and "low beam" modes and would be shut off if I engaged the highs. I think a setup like that would be a perfect workaround to what I and others consider the inadequate low beam coverage/power of the leaf

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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:08 pm

Arlington wrote:^ not helpful. I'm reviving a thread I didn't start, so I'm not alone in wondering about more light and seeing better laterally[....]


yeah, reading this thread a bit more closely over the last few days, I agree, Powersurge's comments that you were responding to did not seem helpful.

Arlington wrote:
[...]
So returning to the point of this thread, my 2013 S's headlights appear to have been designed to get help from wide-angle fog lights I don't have. What do folks think is the best solution:
1) brighter headlights (and hope some "leaks" to the side and elsewhere)
2) headlight bulbs specifically designed to spread new light laterally
3) supplemental bulb(s) on the grille or in the fog light position that throw more light low and to the side


Perhaps part of the issue is the directionality of LED's? Even so, it should be possible to do something along the lines of #2. I'd consider voting for #3 except I have not if I have experienced it and how it would play out. Sounds worth considering though.

Regardless if fog lamps or aimed-low lamps, I think lamps aimed to the side might also have the option of increasing or decreasing depending on the direction of the turn. (Kind of a fourth Tucker option, but instead of physical lamp movement, it is just electronically controlled switching). I'm not sure if this would be a good idea, but just raising it I guess for completeness.

fwiw, Then I guess there's just also the straight #4) Tucker option, but all this complication seems unnecessary. This problem is worse with my Leaf than with other cars I drive, so there must be some easy solution.
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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:01 am

OK, I will admit that my unappreciated attempts at levity in my other posts were not helpful to the issue raised by some members. I just find it hard to understand how, in a automotive regulation-crazy society, Nissan has been able to produce a car with "inferior" headlights. I have never heard of this, as I thought that light intensity, height, and angles were highly regulated. This problem can be easily measured.... If this is so, then maybe people should have their cars inspected by the NTSB or other group. If this is truly a problem, then home mechanic solutions are not only unneeded, by potentially dangerous.. Am I accepted as a contributing member now?? ;) ;)

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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:40 am

powersurge wrote:OK, I will admit that my unappreciated attempts at levity in my other posts were not helpful to the issue raised by some members. I just find it hard to understand how, in a automotive regulation-crazy society, Nissan has been able to produce a car with "inferior" headlights. I have never heard of this, as I thought that light intensity, height, and angles were highly regulated. This problem can be easily measured.... If this is so, then maybe people should have their cars inspected by the NTSB or other group. If this is truly a problem, then home mechanic solutions are not only unneeded, by potentially dangerous.. Am I accepted as a contributing member now?? ;) ;)


Hi PowerSurge - good to have these points to consider.
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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:49 pm

I didn't like my 2012 headlights until I realized there's a button in the lower left near the steering wheel heater button that raises/lowers the lights. Mine was set all the way down. After adjusting them up using the button I now love my 2012 headlights better than any car I've had before. Wider, higher angle and more of the road is lit up.

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Re: Headlights that see better to the side?

Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:44 am

brian0123 wrote:I didn't like my 2012 headlights until I realized there's a button in the lower left near the steering wheel heater button that raises/lowers the lights. Mine was set all the way down. After adjusting them up using the button I now love my 2012 headlights better than any car I've had before. Wider, higher angle and more of the road is lit up.


Hi Brian0123:

I agree that button is a good one to know about and before I did find out about it, the situation was even worse. When you realize how to set them up so they are higher, this definitely makes the driving safer. This question came up for me a few years ago and it was either the Nissan phone number or this forum that I used to get it right.

Although adjusting the lights higher did help back then, I'm not sure if in my fallible view it sufficiently addresses the question of seeing around corners. I could be wrong as I sometimes over the years have lost track of that higher/lower setting, but in situations with very little outside light of any sort around, my impression is that even with the more elevated angle headlight setting, the 2012 SL headlights have been notably inadequate as compared to other cars I have driven, in terms of seeing to the side when taking corners and such.
josh@jlaz.com
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