JohnKuthe
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Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:12 pm

1. The Forward "gear shiftie" thing should move forward for forward, etc. NOT Vice Versa like it is now, DUMB!!

2. Cruise Control ON switch should be eliminated. Unnecessary!

John Kuthe....

jjeff
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:10 pm

I agree, when you think about it...... Personally though if not thinking about it, my natural inclination is to pull back, which is how the Leaf works. I think it's because that is how floor shift automatics work, you pull it backward to shift into drive. Another reason may be if your hand is holding the mouse and you step on the gas hard, your hand naturally goes back(inertia?)
Of course most/all?? floor shift stick cars you push the stick forward for 1st gear to go forward, so in that respect the Leaf is backward.
Again personally I didn't think twice about it until I was teaching my daughter to drive for the first time, in my Leaf. I told her to pull back on the mouse to go forward and to push forward on the mouse to go into reverse, to which she said "why not forward to go forward, backward to backward" :lol:
Don't have CC on my S so I can't comment on that quirk.
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kidjan
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:54 pm

I've never been bothered by the shifter direction. All sorts of cars have shifters that move in directions that aren't related, so... :roll:

LeftieBiker
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:05 pm

The Leaf is modeled after the Prius, shifter-wise, as many move from the latter to the former. It's not hard to adapt. As for eliminating "Cruise On" that would be illegal, and should be. What if all the accessories came on when the car was started?
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:56 pm

JohnKuthe wrote:1. The Forward "gear shiftie" thing should move forward for forward, etc. NOT Vice Versa like it is now, DUMB!!

2. Cruise Control ON switch should be eliminated. Unnecessary!

Disagree with both.

The first has been discussed numerous times here on MNL and even more times on Priuschat.
viewtopic.php?t=16370 - three of my responses at viewtopic.php?p=361419#p361419, viewtopic.php?p=361422#p361422 and viewtopic.php?p=361397#p361397
viewtopic.php?t=348

https://priuschat.com/threads/shift-for ... ack.66847/
https://priuschat.com/threads/gear-shif ... rds.11306/
https://priuschat.com/threads/shifter-d ... ion.84047/

OP, I guess if you really want #1, you'd want to buy/lease a BMW i3. It has a stalk on the right that you twist forward to go into D and twist backwards for R.

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garsh
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:53 am

JohnKuthe wrote:1. The Forward "gear shiftie" thing should move forward for forward, etc. NOT Vice Versa like it is now, DUMB!!

It's a relic from old manual transmissions.
For many of those, reverse gear was left-and-forward, while first gear was left-and-backward.
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baustin
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:40 am

JohnKuthe wrote:1. The Forward "gear shiftie" thing should move forward for forward, etc. NOT Vice Versa like it is now, DUMB!!

2. Cruise Control ON switch should be eliminated. Unnecessary!

John Kuthe....


This reminds me of my sister complaining that the tv guide screen is 'backwards' because the up arrow scrolls up through the channel list instead of moving toward the higher numbered channels (down through the list).

I find the Leaf shifting function to be natural and normal. It matches what I am used to on just about every vehicle I have driven.

Having a cruise control that is always on could be very dangerous. Accidentally engaging it could create a dangerous situation. I also like being able to turn it off when I exit the freeway without having to move my foot to hit the brake pedal.
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SageBrush
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:17 am

We have a LEAF and a Prius Prime and both have the same gear orientation on the knob. The odd thing is that shifting the Prius comes naturally to me while the LEAF does not. I presume this is because the Prius stalk is orientated horizontally while the LEAF's is vertical.

<<shrug>> I don't think a manufacturer can win with the variety of ways different drivers are wired so I just make it a point to be careful in the LEAF and double-check what gear I am in.

I have noticed that OP is quick to assign blame to others to cover his own limitations. Unfortunate for him, as it makes it harder to learn and adapt. Thank goodness though for user environments on computers. My wife scrolls one way and I scroll the other. Now if only my Windoze garbage computer at work would let me set that particular preference.
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jjeff
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:28 am

garsh wrote:
JohnKuthe wrote:1. The Forward "gear shiftie" thing should move forward for forward, etc. NOT Vice Versa like it is now, DUMB!!

It's a relic from old manual transmissions.
For many of those, reverse gear was left-and-forward, while first gear was left-and-backward.
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Wow, what vehicle did that come off of? I must admit I've never driven/seen a 3 on the floor! Plenty of 3 on the tree's but the least I've driven on the floor would be a 4 speed in which forward has always been to the top.
Also coming from a Prius that might explain why the Leaf comes natural, personally I much like the Prius setup as it doesn't waste precious floor space. I'd much rather have the shifter out of the way on the dash and use the leave the armrest area for other things like more storage, JMO :)
Oh IMO an even worse shifter than the Leaf is the new Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, while on the dash it's a stupid big knob where you have to shift through reverse to get to drive :roll: oh and then to get to park you have to go through all the gears again, IOW no separate quick park button as on most EV.
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pyromancy5
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Re: Two "I want to meet the engineer" foibles for my 2013 Leaf!

Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:32 am

Forklifts are the same, pull back to go forwards, push to go backwards. It makes sense to me.


I agree with you 100% on the steering wheel controls.

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