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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:00 pm

jjeff wrote:I wish the Leaf was bigger :)
I'd prefer it to be taller, dislike having to sit down in the seats, I like the seating in something like a Rav4 or CRV.
I'd MUCH prefer the rear seats and cargo to be bigger. I can get by with the front seats but especially cargo area is woefully small.
Weight is OK, heavier is generally better for a decent ride. My old light(1650 lbs) Geo Metro got great mileage but drove very light, also basically a death trap, but I survived ;)
IMO the Leaf has too much low end power now(I never venture out of ECO) can't see why I'd want it geared lower :? High end seems OK, easily does 80 and I have no real need to go faster.
Never use the GOM and I agree about blind spots, MUCH worse than my Metro or Scion Xb. I removed the rear seat headrests for a bit better view.

All cars are a compromise, in my case being a BEV was #1 priority, I overlooked many things to attain that, if you like a smaller/lighter BEV then maybe an i3? I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting an iMe, although it is smaller and lighter :lol:


Sounds like you want a small SUV BEV. I think that would be a huge seller. Looks like the first to market will probably be the Tesla Model Y. VW also has an SUV "I.D." BEV coming in a few years and I hear murmurs that Ford might build a 200-mile SUV BEV, maybe similar to the Escape in size?
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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:15 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Sounds like you want a small SUV BEV. I think that would be a huge seller. Looks like the first to market will probably be the Tesla Model Y. VW also has an SUV "I.D." BEV coming in a few years and I hear murmurs that Ford might build a 200-mile SUV BEV, maybe similar to the Escape in size?

Very true! My state was never one that got the BEV Rav4 and I've been eyeing the VW BUDD since I've read about it, of course VW is king of the concept cars, so I'm not holding my breath. As someone who's been waiting for the PHEV Outlander for over 4 years not to mention the BEV Nissan eNV-200 or even the very short lived BEV Ford Transit Connect, I finally settled on the Leaf and for the most part it's been a decent holding BEV. Who'd have thought 4 years later basically nothing better has come out :( (or at least available to me ).
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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:21 pm

I'm tall, so I love the headroom in the leaf. My only problem is the rear view mirror. I have a tall torso and sit very high. The rear view mirror blocks out cars, pedestrians...etc as it's in my direct line of sight. This is a physique problem though and one I solved in my old Acura by removing the rear view mirror. Relocating the mirrors in both vehicles is not trivial either.
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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:05 pm

hackdroot wrote:I'm tall, so I love the headroom in the leaf. My only problem is the rear view mirror. I have a tall torso and sit very high. The rear view mirror blocks out cars, pedestrians...etc as it's in my direct line of sight. This is a physique problem though and one I solved in my old Acura by removing the rear view mirror. Relocating the mirrors in both vehicles is not trivial either.

You should try a Prius, '06 for sure! I have the exact problem, the rear view mirror is a major blind spot, very unsafe for me. In fact if I'm driving and in the slow lane and a car comes down a freeway on-ramp my wife always advises me of it. Otherwise I'd never see it, until they were basically on top of me :x If it were my car I'd rip the damn thing out, as said it's a MAJOR blindspot for me. I've also thought of remounting it as high as I could, which would make it much better. But as you said, moving the mirror is easier said than done and as my wife drives it 95% of the time and it doesn't effect her in the least, I've left it alone. It makes me wonder if it's why the British cars in particular liked to mount the rearview mirror to the dash, no blind spot there :)
I must be just low enough to not have the Leaf mirror block my vision, the Prius is right in the way for me :(
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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:33 pm

hackdroot wrote:I'm tall, so I love the headroom in the leaf. My only problem is the rear view mirror. I have a tall torso and sit very high. The rear view mirror blocks out cars, pedestrians...etc as it's in my direct line of sight. This is a physique problem though and one I solved in my old Acura by removing the rear view mirror. Relocating the mirrors in both vehicles is not trivial either.

I have the mirror problem in most cars. It's better in the Leaf than in the Golf. Have you tried pivoting the base up as high as it will go? I find that this helps. A lot of folks don't realize that there are two pivots on the mirror stem that allows you to adjust height.
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Re: Leaf too big

Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:00 pm

IssacZachary wrote:
hackdroot wrote:I'm tall, so I love the headroom in the leaf. My only problem is the rear view mirror. I have a tall torso and sit very high. The rear view mirror blocks out cars, pedestrians...etc as it's in my direct line of sight. This is a physique problem though and one I solved in my old Acura by removing the rear view mirror. Relocating the mirrors in both vehicles is not trivial either.

I have the mirror problem in most cars. It's better in the Leaf than in the Golf. Have you tried pivoting the base up as high as it will go? I find that this helps. A lot of folks don't realize that there are two pivots on the mirror stem that allows you to adjust height.


I'm pretty sure I tried to adjust it, but may have neglected the full range of movement. I'll check it again when I leave work.
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Re: Leaf too big

Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:10 am

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groingo wrote:In Washington State the price of gas keeps bouncing around $2.80 a gallon with more increase in gas taxes due in July.
Electricity is climbing as well as PSE just increased rates for the third time in 2017 with another on its way.
Currently when you figure the cost of electricity, basic fee and sundry taxes on electricity and the cost of gas to go the same distance electricity it comes to $1.34 gas vs 0.89 for electric for a 22 mile round trip.

Ouch!

I pay less than 10¢ a kWh with taxes and all. My electric bill is up this past month about $15 from last year.

I'm sure Puget Sound Energy is still WAY less than PG&E.

See links at http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=481368#p481368. The tiers have been flattened on some schedules. My baselines (aka tier 1) are still the same as I mentioned.

We can't dream of 10 cents/kWh.

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Re: Leaf too big

Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:56 am

I think that the size, and the ability to carry 5 adults is its best strength... In the size department, both the Chevy Volt and the Bolt suffer from the same thing... They can only seat 4 passengers... and tightly...

As far as the Leaf High roof= great headroom, and great visibility. A 6'4" passenger can get in and out of the front seat with ease... And not into my Cadillac CTS!!

The only thing I would add to the body of the car is to have the body 2" higher so that you don't have to step DOWN into the car....

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Re: Leaf too big

Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:25 am

The OP has left the building...
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Re: Leaf too big

Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:29 am

On what do you base this? This is an electric car and the consideration of transmission ratios is very different than it is with an ICE... A two speed transmission would buy you VERY little in an EV...

groingo wrote:Too tall of gear ratio for city driving, needs two speed trany, low range for up 50 m.p.h. and high for open road driving.
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