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Re: Nissan offers 2G Leaf owners a $199 3G upgrade, with just 24 days left

Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:36 pm

littauer wrote:Stanton:

Can you please provide more details on the upgrade you were able to buy? Part number, especially, but anything else that might help. My service advisor has nothing even after calling Nissan directly, but says if he had more info he might be able to get somewhere.

Thanks!!

-ben-


Here is the link to what I found out today.

viewtopic.php?f=31&p=477992#p477934
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:56 am

baustin wrote:It wasn't an oversight.
It wasn't an oversight to *use* 2G. It was an oversight to not include hardware capable of both 2G and 3G communication. Every cheap mobile phone in the world has had the ability to do both for several years now. This could have been a simple flash reprogramming instead of a hardware replacement.
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Re: Nissan offers 2G Leaf owners a $199 3G upgrade, with just 24 days left

Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:35 am

That is my point exactly. I wonder if this affects those who are paying for traffic option for CarWings. If so, those users have to pay again.

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Re: 2G Upgrade

Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:26 am

garsh wrote:
baustin wrote:It wasn't an oversight.
It wasn't an oversight to *use* 2G. It was an oversight to not include hardware capable of both 2G and 3G communication. Every cheap mobile phone in the world has had the ability to do both for several years now. This could have been a simple flash reprogramming instead of a hardware replacement.


Maybe so for phones, but the TCU being used was a 2010 (or older) model. What was the cost difference, at that time, between a 2G unit and a 2G/3G unit? Also, AT&T had not yet announced any plans to discontinue 2G service. Nissan chose to keep their costs as low as possible.
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:35 am

baustin wrote:Maybe so for phones, but the TCU being used was a 2010 (or older) model. What was the cost difference, at that time, between a 2G unit and a 2G/3G unit? Also, AT&T had not yet announced any plans to discontinue 2G service. Nissan chose to keep their costs as low as possible.


Actually, AT&T announced plans to discontinue 2G service in 2012.
http://www.corp.att.com/erate/docs/2g_sunset.pdf

That means for the 2013 models onward, Nissan KNEW the 2G TCUs were going to be rendered inoperable by January 2017, but chose to continue using them, all the way through the 2016 models.
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:00 pm

Durandal wrote:
baustin wrote:Maybe so for phones, but the TCU being used was a 2010 (or older) model. What was the cost difference, at that time, between a 2G unit and a 2G/3G unit? Also, AT&T had not yet announced any plans to discontinue 2G service. Nissan chose to keep their costs as low as possible.


Actually, AT&T announced plans to discontinue 2G service in 2012.
http://www.corp.att.com/erate/docs/2g_sunset.pdf

That means for the 2013 models onward, Nissan KNEW the 2G TCUs were going to be rendered inoperable by January 2017, but chose to continue using them, all the way through the 2016 models.


AT&T announced the 2G change in August of 2012, which means the 2013 production line was already set. It's not a matter of what they knew, or what the Engineers wanted to do, it is Nissan Corporate choosing the cheapest option at the time. What is best is not always done, especially when someone else has a tight grip on the budget.
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:36 am

baustin wrote:Maybe so for phones, but the TCU being used was a 2010 (or older) model. What was the cost difference, at that time, between a 2G unit and a 2G/3G unit?
For the chips? Negligible. 4G services were being deployed in 2010. So 3G wasn't even cutting edge at the time. Every cut-rate cell phone being sold was capable of 3G.
Also, AT&T had not yet announced any plans to discontinue 2G service.
It seems even more insane that they would use a module that didn't support enough frequencies to be moved to a different network via a SIM card & software update.
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:28 am

garsh wrote:
baustin wrote:Maybe so for phones, but the TCU being used was a 2010 (or older) model. What was the cost difference, at that time, between a 2G unit and a 2G/3G unit?
For the chips? Negligible. 4G services were being deployed in 2010. So 3G wasn't even cutting edge at the time. Every cut-rate cell phone being sold was capable of 3G.
Also, AT&T had not yet announced any plans to discontinue 2G service.
It seems even more insane that they would use a module that didn't support enough frequencies to be moved to a different network via a SIM card & software update.


Yes, and that is forward-thinking, common-sense thought. Not something used by the Corporate controller looking at what is cheapest now.

They could probably be moved to the T-Mobile network with just a SIM card change, if they still offered 2G service.

Nissan chose the cheapest train and rode until it ran out of steam. Now, instead of having to replace the radios in all the older cars, they only have to pay to replace it for the ones willing to fork over the $199 co-pay. Still going for the cheapest option, and I'm sure it was the least expensive, 3G only, radio they could get.
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Re: 2G Upgrade

Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:26 pm

baustin wrote:They could probably be moved to the T-Mobile network with just a SIM card change, if they still offered 2G service.

Has anyone tried swapping the SIM for a T-Mobile one and confirming that it works?

I found https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and- ... feline.htm. Not sure how much data goes up/down each month via Nissan Connect.

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Re: Nissan offers 2G Leaf owners a $199 3G upgrade, with just 24 days left

Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:03 pm

I had the telematics unit replaced by Nissan before the end of the year. I have not been able to get the carwings to connect since. In the settings there is a area for you to type a user name and password. What goes there? Is that the same user name and password to get into the Nissan owners portal?

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