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Stanton
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Mon May 29, 2017 7:15 am

Noticed a couple of posts from a few months ago, but it seems as though questions (and confusion) hasn't changed.
Yes, you can put a smaller/lower capacity version than what I used, but I wouldn't go much lower than 10AHr (I've tried it).
As for "cheaper" 12v starter batteries, you get what you pay for: I wouldn't put anything in my Leaf that doesn't have some sort of BMS for cell-balancing, especially given the charging profile.
BTW, my LiFePO4 battery (link updated in first post) is still going strong after almost 4 years!
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nerys
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Mon May 29, 2017 11:00 pm

honest question. what are the benefits. I have put 60,000 miles on my leaf in the last 3 years and have never touched the led cell under the hood. I assume its the original battery from 2012.

I typically get 10+ years on a led cell before they need replacing unless they are abused (allowed to fully discharge for long periods or freeze in a discharged state (kills them fast) in the smaller cars I typically never replace them at all.

in my geo metro for example the battery is 15 years old best I can figure starts right up every time (btw I tried the battery in a full size car. click click click won't even crank so I guess it depends on what car its in.

just curious what benefits there are?
2012 SV 4802miles. 1month 2400 miles. 9 weeks 5000 miles. 6 months 13,300 miles. 4/18 15,000 miles.

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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:24 pm

nerys wrote:honest question. what are the benefits. I have put 60,000 miles on my leaf in the last 3 years and have never touched the led cell under the hood. I assume its the original battery from 2012.

I typically get 10+ years on a led cell before they need replacing unless they are abused (allowed to fully discharge for long periods or freeze in a discharged state (kills them fast) in the smaller cars I typically never replace them at all.

in my geo metro for example the battery is 15 years old best I can figure starts right up every time (btw I tried the battery in a full size car. click click click won't even crank so I guess it depends on what car its in.

just curious what benefits there are?


Don't know where you live (not in your profile), but I've never known anyone anywhere who's 12v starter battery lasted 10 years.
In the same climates that tend to "kill" the Leaf battery packs, we're lucky to get 3-4 years out of a "normal" lead acid battery.
The benefit is: I don't have to worry about a dead 12v battery anymore...including all the things that go wrong in a Leaf with a flaky/low 12v battery.
2011 Blue Ocean SV w/floor mats & window tint
12v LiFePO4 battery & FIAMM 74100 horns
Wet Okole seat covers (front)
Tor's low-power heater mod
2013 sun visor
3G modem upgrade
L2 EVSE Upgrade
Battery Pack replaced (Rev E) @51 months and 41k miles

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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:44 pm

huh. very odd to me. I am not joking when I say I get 10+ years out of them.

hell I had the same battery in my jeep for 15+ years over 300,000 miles and the only reason I replaced it is I left it "freeze" one winter when it was discharged (kills them right fast)

in all my other cars again I have "never once" had to replace the lead for "age failure" it has always without exception been abuse on my part (improper storage winter freeze death except one where It was dropped. that hurt. $300 battery I really wanted to murder my brother over that one)

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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Most lead/acid batteries typically last 1-5 years, not 10-15 years for automotive applications. If you are getting 10-15 years, or even 20-30 years, that doesn't change the fact that lead / acid batteries only last 1-5 years on average (hence what the battery warranties tend to be).

Like one of the above posters, I prefer not to have 12 volt battery issues, so I tend to take good care of the battery that I have, and only buy the "best" battery for the intended application.

My current 12 volt lithium battery:

https://www.valence.com/products/standa ... t-modules/

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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:39 pm

That site doesn't seem to want to give you any prices. If you have to ask, maybe you can't afford it?
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:50 pm

ahhh most of mine have a 60 month replacement (if I buy new) though most either came with the car or I got used.

I have a feeling it comes down to how I use them.

for example if I take the battery out of my metro and put it in say the minivan. it just clicks. as if its a bad battery.

so it might just be that most of my vehicles are such a "tiny load" to the battery and I tend to oversize when I can that I am just not "pushing" them very hard. hence the long lifespans.

I am honestly not messing with you when I say I have never replaced a battery in less than 10 years if it was not abused and that is conservative. ie the time span is too long to be accurate. I guess I am just an edge case scenario and not "normal" usage.

somehow I just don't see the 12v batt in my leaf "EVER" dying since it really only needs to provide a couple of amps at most to run small things when the traction pack is off (remote blinking the lights interior lights (LED) etc..
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:10 am

nerys wrote:honest question. what are the benefits. I have put 60,000 miles on my leaf in the last 3 years and have never touched the led cell under the hood. I assume its the original battery from 2012.

I typically get 10+ years on a led cell before they need replacing unless they are abused (allowed to fully discharge for long periods or freeze in a discharged state (kills them fast) in the smaller cars I typically never replace them at all.

in my geo metro for example the battery is 15 years old best I can figure starts right up every time (btw I tried the battery in a full size car. click click click won't even crank so I guess it depends on what car its in.

just curious what benefits there are?



how come you have chosen to not reveal your location?
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:02 am

How come you are curious about my location am I supposed to announce where I am every time I post?

As it happens I'm in southeast Pennsylvania Levittown
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Re: Replaced 12v Lead with 12v Lithium

Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:09 am

nerys wrote:How come you are curious about my location am I supposed to announce where I am every time I post?

As it happens I'm in southeast Pennsylvania Levittown


If you want. You might want to investigate other simpler options. The reality is that your location plays a huge part in how batteries work... all batteries.
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