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Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:27 pm

As per the title. I know there seem to be a couple companies that have started them and show them on their website as no stock but there is actually none that really exist to buy. We have a number of businesses that have tesla only destination chargers in our area. Wineries etc. Most don't know there is any other format and don't know what a j1772 plug is. As a result we have businesses that are dissapointed that non TESLAS can't charge at their business's. I'm just surprised that no one has come up with a solution.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:44 pm

webeleafowners wrote:... I'm just surprised that no one has come up with a solution.

Maybe because no manufacturer can guarantee that its adapter would work reliably?

The rumor is that TSLA recently added a screw you feature to its public EVSEs (edit) to restrict their use:

...Tesla's new destination chargers have a new handshake mode that blocks non-Tesla vehicles...

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 64/page-23
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:49 pm

I'm not referring to superchargers. I'm referring to destination chargers. There are you tube videos showing it can be done. Just no hardware available.

Whoops Just realized my mistake. Sorry. Interesting.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:56 pm

webeleafowners wrote:I'm not referring to superchargers. I'm referring to destination chargers...

As am I. Read the comments at the thread I linked.

And I suggest the use of the terms AC/DC charge sites (my mistake to write AC chargers above) rather than TSLA's silly jargon.

The point being, if the rumors are true, TSLA is moving to block use of TSLA-plug EVSEs to anyone who does not buy a Tesla.

Entirely consistent with the TSLA policy on public DC Charge sites:

What's ours is ours, and your's we can share...
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:08 pm

Yah. Corrected my other post. Thanks. Interesting.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:25 am

This is just me, but I believe Tesla is doing this becasue they will have a flood of new vehicles added and they don't want the backlash when a Tesla owner gets to a "destination" charger and there is a Leaf, Bolt or some other EV in the spot. If Tesla is paying or significantly subsidizing the installation of these chargers I think it is up to them how they are used. I think if enough folks with other EV's with J1772 show up with no place to plug in the locations will likely add J1772 support. I think we as EV owners need to let business know we would frequent their business if they did have a J1772 station. We did this and when we contacted the grocery store that was going to be built they said they were already considering it and we were the 3rd person to ask about it and they said that was enough for them to go ahead with install them.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:57 am

edatoakrun wrote:
webeleafowners wrote:What's ours is ours, and your's we can share...

Nonsense

Tesla paid for the SC network and destination chargers
"You" paid squat directly, and indirectly just as much as a Tesla owner did through taxes.
This is no different than some Nissan dealerships restricting use of their J1772 EVSE to Nissan EV owners. Well within their rights.

OP: use of a Tesla charger to charge a non-Tesla car is an unauthorized use. The J1772 adapters are illegal and you can expect Tesla to continue blocking their use. If you damage a Tesla EVSE you are liable.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:04 am

As well they have every right to!

SageBrush wrote:Use of a Tesla charger to charge a non-Tesla car is an unauthorized use. The J1772 adapters are illegal and you can expect Tesla to continue blocking their use.
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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:39 pm

TomT wrote:As well they have every right to!

SageBrush wrote:Use of a Tesla charger to charge a non-Tesla car is an unauthorized use. The J1772 adapters are illegal and you can expect Tesla to continue blocking their use.


Well, unauthorized I can see, maybe, depending on where it is, illegal might be a stretch. Anyway, I wrote this from the point of view of businesses that installed the tesla destination chargers that didn't realize they were unique to Tesla electric vehicles. Remember, most folks know very little about EV's. So now they are in a situation where they have a client pull up to their charger which they thought was good for all EVs and now they find that it is compatible with only one manufacturer. We contacted a bed and breakfast that recently installed a "electric car charger for our clients" and they were quite disappointed that it only worked with one manufacturer. They are now looking into what it will take to put in a "universal" (in their words (J1772) type EVSE. Anyway. No big deal. I though maybe there would be a simple solution's for these folks but apparently not.

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Re: Anyone else surprised that no one has come out with a Tesla destination charger for J1772

Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:00 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
TomT wrote:As well they have every right to!

SageBrush wrote:Use of a Tesla charger to charge a non-Tesla car is an unauthorized use. The J1772 adapters are illegal and you can expect Tesla to continue blocking their use.


Well, unauthorized I can see, maybe, depending on where it is, illegal might be a stretch. Anyway, I wrote this from the point of view of businesses that installed the tesla destination chargers that didn't realize they were unique to Tesla electric vehicles. .

Typically **Tesla** pays for those destination chargers. The hardware for sure; I'm not sure about the installation.

I'll tell you what it will take to install a J1772 EVSE: money out of the mechant's pocket.
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