Astolfo
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winter tires and TPMS

Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:41 pm

is it true that you have to take the Leaf to the dealer to rest the TPMS if you do not want the tire warning on the dash?

garsh
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:09 am

Depends.

If you put your winter tires on the same wheels with the same TPMS sensors, then no.

If you have winter tires on different wheels without TPMS sensors, then no - you'll just have to live with the warning light (which is what I currently do).

If you have winter tires on different wheels with their own set of TPMS sensors, then you'll need to re-register the sensors every time you switch between summer & winter wheels. The dealer or any tire place can do this for you.

HOWEVER, Turbo3 is working on updating the "Battery App" (for android phones) to allow you to register TPMS sensors yourself. It's not ready yet (current state) but I don't think it will be long before he has it working.

To use it, you need a bluetooth ELM327 ODB-II adapter (they're pretty cheap), an android device with bluetooth, and a tire pressure gauge. You set the four tires to specific pressures, then you drive around for 5min at ~25mph with the app running, and it will register the sensors.
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EVOldtimer
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:26 pm

I know this is an old thread, but I hate to see incomplete info left out there.

Most good repair shops and tire centers have CLONEABLE TPMS sensors available. A cloneable sensor is given all of the information from the original sensor. The technician puts a cloneable sensor in each new wheel and writes the information to it, so the car thinks it is seeing the original sensor. When you reinstall the original wheels and original sensors, the car does not know the difference. As far as the TPMS computer can see, the sensors are the same, and there will be no warning light or relearning. The cost with programming is about the same as a replacement OE senor is.

I personally consider it penny wise pound foolish to put the winter wheels on without the TPMS. My TPMS system has saved me from several tire disasters when the snow was deep enough to mask the flat tire feel. A friend of mine wr3ecked two tires in one winter by disabling his TPMS. And he is not a klutz or an idiot. He just could not tell the tires were flat because the snow was deep.

I have installed cloned sensors on Leafs, myself, so I know it can be done.
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pncguy
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:48 am

I've been driving for 31 years without TPMS and I have never ruined a tire because it was low.

YMMV.

wtc88c
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:03 am

Same here for myself, don't need them, have never needed them. My wife, or children, now that's a different story.....

EVOldtimer
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:20 pm

"I've been driving for 31 years without TPMS and I have never ruined a tire because it was low."

Good for you. I never have either, and I have been driving much longer than that.

Now go to any tire store and ask them how many tires come in an an average day, destroyed because someone ran them low. Or better yet, lets go back and find all of those people killed or injured for life in the Ford Explorer rollover crashes (which were mostly precipitated by low tire pressures) and ask them (or their survivors) if they think TPMS would have been a good addition to their cars. Nobody really cares if you think it is a good idea or not. It is here. It is the law. And the average driver needs it.

The typical EV driver needs it even more than the average ICE driver because us EV drivers are in the shop every six months for service--having our armature oil changed, and our blinker fluid topped-up, right? So our tires are being monitored by our mechanics. Right? Um, Not... Even ten years ago the average car was getting its tires checked ever four or six months. Now, with extended oil changes or no oil changes, how often are tires getting checked on the average car?

Another huge advantage of having TPMS is that the warning will come on before the tire pressure is critically low. This gives the driver time to plan a strategy for getting to a shop to get it repaired before the tire is damaged, or they are stuck on the side of the road.

Driving around with a warning light always ON is also a bad idea. It makes a driver less aware of other warnings which may come on. For example, in the winter, I mostly drive around in my Leaf, with my skid control OFF. The glaring orange SKID OFF warning made me miss my TPMS warning one night. I finally hit some dry road and only THEN realized I had a nearly flat tire. I was able to feel the tire was low, but it was too low to drive on. If I had noticed the warning when it came on, it would have been a much shorter walk to get to my air tank and plug kit.

Figuring out ways to defeat TPMS is not very productive. Informing people about options for making it more useful and affordable is worth it. It is fine for you to say you don't want to spend the extra monkey keeping your TPMS functional, but it is irresponsible to encourage other people to do so.

It is incumbent upon us a consumers of technology to keep asking ourselves whether we are getting a good value for our tech dollar. "Do we really need this feature?" After driving almost fifty years now, and Never Never having ruined a tire in my lifetime, I still say TPMS is one of the best ideas--best improvements to cars I have seen.
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:05 am

^^^^ +10.

All tire shops have tool for setting TPMS.
One at Costco had plug in to the OBDII and technician held handheld setting tool near each TPMS to set them.

If doing snow tires yourself, LEAF Spy Pro uses the Nissan built in approach of setting specific pressures and putting LEAF Spy Pro in index mode and driving about a mile.
Takes less than half hour.

Not any good excuse for driving without TPMS working.

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pncguy
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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:59 am

EVOldtimer wrote:It is fine for you to say you don't want to spend the extra monkey keeping your TPMS functional, but it is irresponsible to encourage other people to do so.

It is incumbent upon us a consumers of technology to keep asking ourselves whether we are getting a good value for our tech dollar. "Do we really need this feature?" After driving almost fifty years now, and Never Never having ruined a tire in my lifetime, I still say TPMS is one of the best ideas--best improvements to cars I have seen.


At first I was really pissed off at you, but then I stepped back in to my thinking brain. Then I started to think that maybe I should have done that before I posted the first time.

I never advocated for encouraging other people to do something that was unsafe or that would cause a problem for them. My post was in reaction to my frustration of "nanny state" policies. I don't like to be told that I have to spend a lot of my hard-earned money for a technology to tell me what I can notice with a simple walk-around before I drive my car. If a tire looks soft, then I'll check the pressure and do what needs to be done. (And as I think about the prior posts, it seems that a tire may have gone flat during driving in the snow, which I have to agree I wouldn't notice, either, and TPMS might save me the cost of having installed it in the first place.)

Of course, I'm the kind of guy that rebuilds the front end of a 1978 Toyota FJ40 because I like to learn how it works. I have installed power steering into the same vehicle - which means I have been working on a very critical section of the truck - how to control its direction when it is careening down the highway at speed.

But I do my research, I am careful, I check my work, and I often have someone else check my work before I'll consider it useable.

When it comes to doing something for the general population, where we might increase the cost of a car a few dollars for everyone, but save many lives in the process, I think that's worthwhile.

So, yes, I'll probably try to find ways to get around TPMS when I get snows for my Leaf. But, of course, I'll have to do research on what wheels I can use, I'll have to make sure it all fits, I'll have to decide what to do about the warning light, and so on. I'll do all that because I don't want to spend the money. But I'm glad that my brother or mother-in-law would have to pay for the TPMS because they don't know how to do all that and wouldn't know how to tell if it was safe. I'd rather they have the warning light come on and have them be alarmed and ask someone to fix it for them.

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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:41 am

I think that what people are saying is that yes, Having TPMS is a great feature. What really bites is that they have made it so that only the shops are able to have the car learn the presence of new tires. Darn, we have Bluetooth crap everywhere, and we are able to pair with any device you want. Why haven't they made cars be able to recognize the signal from any tires you have on the car either automatically or be able to choose individual tires to recognize like Bluetooth? Leave it to the car makers.... :evil:

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Re: winter tires and TPMS

Sat Dec 05, 2015 9:55 am

How did humanity make it this far without TPMS sensors?

TPMS sensors are about as useful as blind spot sensors. Have I been grateful to see the light pop up when I had a screw in my tire? I sure have but it still made my day inconvenient. Would it have been any different had I not had TPMS sensors? I easily could have discovered I had a screw in my tire far away from home but guess what. I'm human and I can figure it out. It's all an inconvenience that I'll deal with.

I agree that most of the population these days requires all of these fancy features as they are typically too busy to worry about things like their car or driving for that matter. It's an individuals decision as to whether they want or think they need these features on their vehicle. For me I'd like to keep control of my car and still be able to recognize when a tire is low or when there's someone in my blind spot without the help of a feature that will eventually lead me to lose that extra edge that makes me a more responsible driver. At the end of the day the responsibility of anything that occurs while you are driving your vehicle falls on you not on the computer or feature that is in your car.

Have a great Christmas everyone! ;)

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