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Tips for Buying a Used EV

Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:41 pm

The popularity of leasing means that lightly used EVs are often on the market - 34% of EV sales in 2017 so far have been preowned. To help you in your search, here are five things to think about when buying used. http://bit.ly/BuyinganEV

Bonus Tip:
Driving habits and conditions affect battery life, however, losing range hasn’t been a serious problem with used EVs, many of which have hit over 100,000 miles and are still going strong. More at the link!


What are your tips for anyone out there looking to purchase a preowned EV?
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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:10 pm

Bonus Tip:
Driving habits and conditions affect battery life, however, losing range hasn’t been a serious problem with used EVs, many of which have hit over 100,000 miles and are still going strong. More at the link!


This is bad information, especially in a Leaf forum. I suggest you try to limit tips to charging-related subjects.
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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:01 pm

Agree with Leftiebiker. If they keep this up we will ignore them and their chargers.
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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:11 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Bonus Tip:
Driving habits and conditions affect battery life, however, losing range hasn’t been a serious problem with used EVs, many of which have hit over 100,000 miles and are still going strong. More at the link!


This is bad information, especially in a Leaf forum. I suggest you try to limit tips to charging-related subjects.

Indeed.

OP should consult these:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130115102 ... p?p=228326 (even a 4 capacity bar loser when the Leaf had only been out 21 months)
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=9694 besides the monster thread at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=8802
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606 - already have been some 1 to 4 capacity bar losers on 30 kWh Leafs (began w/model year 2016), including some of the 4 bar losers already having their HV battery replaced under capacity warranty
Examples of 4 bar losers on 30 kwh Leafs (began w/model year 2016):
- viewtopic.php?p=502282#p502282
- viewtopic.php?p=506613#p506613
- viewtopic.php?p=510024#p510024
- viewtopic.php?p=512503#p512503
These folks have lost over 30%, possibly as much as 40% of their battery capacity.

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Real ... acity_Loss - unfortunately, not updated much any more.

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/Batt ... y_Behavior is derived from the table in the '11 Leaf service manual.

I personally know some folks here in the Bay Area who were able to lose 4 bars within the 5 year/60K capacity warranty (viewtopic.php?t=13192) and got their HV battery replaced for free under warranty, including 1 person at my work. My work is within a few miles of Chargepoint HQ.

For those who are down 4 bars outside the the 5 year/60K capacity warranty and had the misfortune of it happening when Nissan decided to no longer help w/the replacement cost.... tough luck.

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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:54 am

Guys, lighten up.. It was a generic informational tease for chargepoint. They were giving advice on buying a used EV, not how long a Leaf battery lasts...

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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:33 pm

paulgipe wrote:Agree with Leftiebiker. If they keep this up we will ignore them and their chargers.

I already have. I removed the ChargePoint license plate holder from my car and canceled my account too. When they started trashing Tesla for their chargers, that struck a nerve with me. It's not "us vs. them"; it's us vs. the anti-environmentalists.
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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:55 pm

I still use Chargepoint stations because they are still free here. If they go to pay to play, then things may change. They really need to get some quality people for their online presence. As it is it appears to be the Interns are running the show.
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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:57 am

powersurge wrote:Guys, lighten up.. It was a generic informational tease for chargepoint. They were giving advice on buying a used EV, not how long a Leaf battery lasts...

Besides in the OP, I actually visited where their bit.ly links leads to: https://www.chargepoint.com/blog/5-thin ... g-used-ev/. It still has the bad info.

FYI for the OP, we're now up to at at at least 12 known model year '16 30 kWh Leafs which have lost 4 capacity bars. 11 are at viewtopic.php?p=519601#p519601. #12 is at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23606&start=860. Will be posting a list update after we get a few more. They've each lost somewhere north of 30ish% capacity compared to new.

Looks like the lowest mileage 4 bar loser so far is iPlug at 18,050 miles. The rest seemed to range from that up to ~40K miles, so far.

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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:58 am

LeftieBiker wrote:I still use Chargepoint stations because they are still free here. If they go to pay to play, then things may change. They really need to get some quality people for their online presence. As it is it appears to be the Interns are running the show.

Chargepoint chargers aren't owned by Chargepoint, they are owned by whomever had them installed. As a result, they set the prices, not Chargepoint. That being said, I have had to contact Chargepoint's customer service twice and both times a live person answered the phone and got my charge started for me.

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Re: Tips for Buying a Used EV

Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:46 am

aarond12 wrote:
paulgipe wrote:Agree with Leftiebiker. If they keep this up we will ignore them and their chargers.

I already have. I removed the ChargePoint license plate holder from my car and canceled my account too. When they started trashing Tesla for their chargers, that struck a nerve with me. It's not "us vs. them"; it's us vs. the anti-environmentalists.



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