User avatar
redLEAF
Gold Member
Posts: 1662
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:38 pm
Delivery Date: 23 Dec 2011
Location: Chicago, IL

Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:35 am

I would assume pre-'97 because that's the first year the OBD-II system was in place to determine if emissions systems are working --- interesting that they believe this would only impact about 10% of current cars that travel into the city ... no question smog is a big issue there.

http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/paris-ban-cars-made-1997#ixzz4AoDRtcef

Also, saw Elon's tweet about Norway banning any new ICE car sales by 2025; seems aggressive but with a relatively small population perhaps more doable -- it will probably be a combination of proposals like these that will be most effective; once the more affordable and longer range EV's become main stream may see quicker adoption rates regardless of government intervention
2015 VW e-Golf LE (CPO - 1.2K miles!)
Pacific Blue
2012 Nissan LEAF SL (traded-in at 5 yrs; 46K miles)
Cayenne Red
(Chicago 2018?) Tesla Model 3
reserved at Highland Park, IL 3/31/16
EVSE: 10/07/11 Schneider EVlink

User avatar
TomT
Posts: 10490
Joined: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:09 pm
Delivery Date: 01 Mar 2011
Leaf Number: 000360
Location: Foothills of Granada Hills, CA
Contact: Website

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:04 am

Norway has backed off on this somewhat and is now considering allowing PHEV's as well...

redLEAF wrote:Also, saw Elon's tweet about Norway banning any new ICE car sales by 2025; seems aggressive but with a relatively small population perhaps more doable
59,991 miles/12 bars/289 Gids/68.54 AHr/101% SOH/101.64% Hx 7May15 w/ new Lizard (barely made the warranty).
71,770 miles/12 bars/256 Gids/59.04 AHr/88% SOH/87.92% Hx 3Mar16 at lease return.

Now driving a 2017 Volt Premier. Model 3 reserved.

finman100
Posts: 235
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:42 am
Delivery Date: 06 Jun 2014
Location: Albany, OR

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:43 am

Sarcastic remark for the day:

So, with all these other countries banning ICE vehicles (yes, I know Paris is a city and only two such proposals are out there) , Can the US get in on all that "extra" gasoline that those places won't be burning? We gots roads to drive and alot of 'personal' big trucks. This way EVs will never catch on. Big win, big oil! Go US of A.

You just know that petrol-heads are thinking this way.

Cheers!
Albany, Oregon
2014 Silver SV with charge/LED package. June 2014, I'm in the EV game!
30,200 miles
19.1 kWh on 100% charge (56ish Ah)
4.2 miles/kWh average
Best trip: all of 'em. They're all no-gas!

User avatar
JimSouCal
Posts: 820
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:43 am

I am old enough to remember my own childhood headaches caused by rather heavy smog in Los Angeles. Older "classic" cars, and some beaters remain, along with some 2 cycle motorbikes, and non regulated diesel vehicles.

Not sure if it's driving the LEAF, but for some reason, my sensitivity to the poison has risen, and I loath being in their exhaust plume, and will literally pull over to let it dilute into the atmosphere.

While I'm not such a fan of government interference, some rules really do serve us all... Using the air as a sewer has never been seen as a right by me... Never.

User avatar
redLEAF
Gold Member
Posts: 1662
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:38 pm
Delivery Date: 23 Dec 2011
Location: Chicago, IL

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 3:15 pm

Hey, I'm old enough to remember the 'gas crisis' years where in 1973 they did odd and even plates at the pump ... I was working at a grocery store at the time and the manager would throw the keys to his Olds 442 to me to wait for gas while being paid ... kind of nice to simply go home now and my 'station' is always waiting for me ... love this photo with the guy with a gas mower; hey that's also electric for me!

Image
2015 VW e-Golf LE (CPO - 1.2K miles!)
Pacific Blue
2012 Nissan LEAF SL (traded-in at 5 yrs; 46K miles)
Cayenne Red
(Chicago 2018?) Tesla Model 3
reserved at Highland Park, IL 3/31/16
EVSE: 10/07/11 Schneider EVlink

GRA
Posts: 6405
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:49 pm
Location: East side of San Francisco Bay

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Mon Jun 06, 2016 5:06 pm

JimSouCal wrote:I am old enough to remember my own childhood headaches caused by rather heavy smog in Los Angeles. Older "classic" cars, and some beaters remain, along with some 2 cycle motorbikes, and non regulated diesel vehicles.

Not sure if it's driving the LEAF, but for some reason, my sensitivity to the poison has risen, and I loath being in their exhaust plume, and will literally pull over to let it dilute into the atmosphere.

While I'm not such a fan of government interference, some rules really do serve us all... Using the air as a sewer has never been seen as a right by me... Never.

Try riding a bike in traffic, and you'll be even more sensitized ;) I normally ride up to the head of the line so I don't have to sit breathing a car's idle exhaust. Of course, every once in a while there's an EV in front of me, so I can stay put. However, if there's a head wind and there's other ICEs in front of them I'll still ride up to the front. In any case, it's safer to be out ahead where everyone can see me.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

arnis
Posts: 620
Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:21 pm
Delivery Date: 23 Jul 2014
Leaf Number: 015896
Location: Estonia, Europe

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:55 am

Wonderful solution, was my first though.
But I analyzed the main reason big cities in EU are polluted and concluded that
banning only pre 1997 will help very little.
Stage 1 ban should be all pre 97 vehicles and all diesels before 2004.
Also very strict annual inspection as diesels are very often modified (as they start to smoke,
easy fix is DPF removal) starting at 2004.


I was surprised when Norway planned to ban ALL NEW ICE VEHICLES so soon :shock:
Now they went to "vehicles without a plug". And that is way more reasonable.
BMW offers many. Mercedes offers some. VW GTE, i3 ReX and many more will come.

I really like the idea of banning new vehicles WITHOUT a plug.
Nothing to do with vehicles that are already in use. Except force them to be in top notch shape.



PS. Pollution will be cut at least 90% if all vehicles before 2010 would be banned (and those which are not banned
are in good shape, no modifications).
Short range EVs <30kWh -- Medium range: 30-60kWh -- Long range: >60kWh
Charging: Trickle <3kW -- Normal 3-22kW -- Fast 50-100kW -- Supercharging >100kW

Lancpudn
Posts: 25
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:17 pm
Delivery Date: 27 Jan 2017
Location: Lancashire UK

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:34 pm

I see they're going to start charging more to park your diesel car in towns & cities up to £2 an hour more than a petrol car :shock: as well as setting up an 'ultra low emission zone' in cities. They really have become public enemy number 1 since the VW emissions debacle. Diesel cars are soon going to be restricted as to where you will be allowed to drive them. one reason I want to cut my ties with ICE cars.

They have a government app where you can type your car registration into it & see if you will be allowed to drive in cities when the new rules become law. My car didn't pass, although my car had just passed it's yearly MOT emissions. :o

RonDawg
Posts: 2499
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:46 am
Delivery Date: 11 Jan 2013
Leaf Number: 027089
Location: SoCal

Re: Paris to ban cars made before 1997

Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:49 pm

redLEAF wrote:Hey, I'm old enough to remember the 'gas crisis' years where in 1973 they did odd and even plates at the pump ... I was working at a grocery store at the time and the manager would throw the keys to his Olds 442 to me to wait for gas while being paid ... kind of nice to simply go home now and my 'station' is always waiting for me ... love this photo with the guy with a gas mower; hey that's also electric for me!

Image


I'm old enough to remember those days as well. I would sometimes wake up early and join my Dad as he went to the gas station at O'dark thirty to get in line for gas for his Plymouth station wagon. Of course being so early I promptly fell back asleep again.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar on 11/21/2015 at 26,435 miles.
Lease returned on 12/23/2015. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL

Return to “Europe”