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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:37 pm

Well, I'm still at a loss.

I copied over two CD's worth of music to a freshly formatted stick. I copied each album sequentially with a 3rd party file manager in order starting with Track 1. Both sets of music were in different folders with the Artist name.

The playback is "random" and not in numerical order.

Maybe just for the heck of it, I should choose "All random" and see what happens :)

It may not sound like much, but it sure is weird to losten to music that isn't in the track order that I've been listening to for years. Back to the drawing board...

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:15 pm

"Directory order" is the worst possible thing, since FAT doesn't sort directories. Files are written in an order that is usually not visible to the Windows user.

If you select 10 files in Windows and "Drag & Drop" them to media, they aren't even in the selection order, or the source order! Windows has always had a strange deal with the first selection moving to the bottom, etc.

If you want to see the 'raw' directory order, you have to use a DOS window and run DIR, since Windows will always sort them for display. (They are not sorted in the volume.)

So.. if the LEAF is really going by FAT Directory order, it's darn near random unless you take measures to write them in a specific order.

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:18 am

I'm still trying to come up with the best way to organize the MP3's on my USB drive to work best with the LEAF. What are you guys planning on doing? The songs showing up in Album folders is not my favorite since I don't really know all my Album names that well. Artist seems like a good way to organize, no?

I did download TagScanner and MP3 Tag Studio. They seem great for populating the MP3 tags, or renaming files. I can't seem to figure out how to use them to move files around and re-create the folder structure. Doesn't seem to come with documentation. Could I get a quick tutorial on how to get my MP3's into a better folder structure that works with the LEAF?

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:37 am

prberg wrote:I did download TagScanner and MP3 Tag Studio. They seem great for populating the MP3 tags, or renaming files. I can't seem to figure out how to use them to move files around and re-create the folder structure.

In TagScanner check "Restructure files on disc..." under Music Renamer tab. Use a format of something like %albumartist% \ %albumartist%-%album% \ %filename%.

BTW, I've not tried this option. So, test before converting the whole collection.

In terms, of the best way to organize, I guess we have to figure that out yet. But the above format I think would be a good start.
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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:52 pm

A little more success to report.

Using the same "track number in order" method of copying to my USB stick (that didn't play that way in the LEAF), I burned an MP3 data CD in the same manner with 4 folders, each one with one album's worth of songs. The folders had the name of each Artist.

When I burned this to CD and played it in the LEAF, it worked just fine and played the songs in the proper track # order...

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:56 pm

CDs and USB drives are prepared differently -- they have different filesystems.

USB drives (and SD cards in adapters) are FAT formatted, where the order of files is largely random or mixed up.

CDs are written in ISO9660/CDFS and have more planning that goes into the layout. The burning software puts them in order.

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:42 pm

Can you do FAT32 ? Is that any different in this regard ?
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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:05 pm

Okay, more work this afternoon, and I think I can safely say that the USB audio sorting problem is identified.

Here is what I found...

I downloaded a free program called DriveSort that was billed as sorting the order of files on the stick specifically for mp3 players. I thought I was on the right track. What I discovered is that the files were already written and sorted by track order. Sorting them again left them in the same order.

Ah, but this program alerted me to something I didn't know.

I have a collection of over 50,000 mp3 files and have been converting my music collection for a number of years. I've been particular about file names and tags, but the DriveSort program showed me that I have some "funkiness" with the SHORT file names of my audio files. They were created at different times on different machines, copied around, etc. The tags and LONG file names look great, but it was the SHORT file names that were causing the problem.

The LEAF appears to be playing the files according to the alpha order of the SHORT file names. Tried several experiments and verified it every time.

I used a file manager (ZTree) to mass rename all the audio files on the USB stick to 01.mp3, 02.mp3, etc in order and verified that it changed both the SHORT and LONG filenames to those music files. Once I tried it in the LEAF, everything worked okay. So I could do a mass file rename on the USB stick when I add new music or delete/re-write music and that would fix it. The LEAF does pick up the Artist, Track Name, and Album Name tag info, but sorting is done by the short file name.....I wouldn't have guessed it....

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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:11 pm

Randy wrote:I used a file manager (ZTree) to mass rename all the audio files on the USB stick to 01.mp3, 02.mp3, etc in order and verified that it changed both the SHORT and LONG filenames to those music files. Once I tried it in the LEAF, everything worked okay. So I could do a mass file rename on the USB stick when I add new music or delete/re-write music and that would fix it. The LEAF does pick up the Artist, Track Name, and Album Name tag info, but sorting is done by the short file name.....I wouldn't have guessed it....

Very interesting. So it is not playing in the order you wrote it - but alpha of the short name ?
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Re: Leaf Audio/Music Features

Sun Jan 09, 2011 9:59 pm

Short names are an abomination.

"dir /x" in a DOS window to see them. You might be surprised.

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