WetEV wrote: GRA wrote:
WetEV wrote:Sure, battery research and development owes much to government research, staring with at minimum the space program, moving to the energy crisis of the 1970's and on. But the major use that was driving the volume manufacturing was laptops and cell phones. Volume manufacturing is what drives prices down. Falling prices for batteries make BEVs practical.
So what would have happened without the CARB ZEV mandate that produced the EV1?
I don't know, you don't know.
There were already home made conversion cars back in the 1990s. Perhaps Zelectric would have filled the Tesla slot. Perhaps even Plasma Boy. Or from the Chinese, which have started about 50 car companies in recent years. Or even Nissan. Or someone else. Once the technology gets out in the wild, it has the potential of exploding (defined as growing at 20% per year). It might have been much slower to start... Or maybe faster without the polarizing Elon Musk.
There are millions of ways that EVs might have gotten started without the EV1 and/or Tesla. Some of these ways match your opinion. Some do not. We can never know which way would have happened with CARB mandates, or any other action for that matter.
There were homemade conversion cars back in the '60s at least (and production BEVs in the 1900s), Big 3 interest in the late '60s and government support for their development back in the '70s as a result of the Oil Embargo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle#1990s:_Revival_of_interest
Ah yes, but the earlier cars were mostly lead acid batteries. Not an ideal technology.
And NiFE, and NA-S, NiCd, NiMH etc. While Li-ion batteries are better than these, they're not an ideal technology either. An ideal battery tech would last the lifetime of the car with no degradation, weigh next to nothing and take up no space, provide instantaneous 0-60 times, have unlimited range so it never needs recharging, and be free. As none of that's likely, we can only hope for something that can at least equal fossil-fueled ICEs in most areas, while exceeding them in others and falling short in areas that most people don't care about.
GRA wrote:Suffice it to say that the cars lacked desirability for the mass market, just as has been the case with the first gen. of 21st century production BEVs, even though the latter were much improved over the former. From the '80s on powerful cars and then SUVs started to take hold once oil prices declined, and that held right up until 2004 when prices spiked again. Ever since the first time fossil-fueled ICEs drove BEVs out of the market in the 19-teens, the main driver of interest in and research on BEVs (and AFVs generally) has been high oil prices. You could add concerns about GHGs and air pollution to that, especially now, but for the average person that's distinctly secondary.
Only high fuel prices?Only?
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As I wrote, the MAIN driver of interest in BEVs has been high oil prices. What exactly does drag racing have to do with the general public's interest (more accurately lack of same) in BEVs for their daily transportation? I know that IEVS posts Model S PxxxD vs. whatever drag racing videos whenever they need to fill some space, and that appeals to some people, but what real world significance does that have? Most people aren't driving around in top fuel funny cars, or Formula 1/E cars either.