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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:01 pm

^^^ Right?! it's __almost__ classic troll behaviour, except that there's still the possibility that he believes what he's written.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:11 pm

I’m pretty sure this person is real and believes everything written thus far.

I’ve worked with people like this. “I’m so amazing I’ve done something none of you losers have done before and why don’t you tell me how cool I am!” This nearly always follows the trajectory which was just on display in this thread where weak evidence is rebutted and the ultimate outcome is “well whatever I’m cool so suck it.”
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:26 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:^^^ Right?! it's __almost__ classic troll behaviour, except that there's still the possibility that he believes what he's written.


It's worth noting that he claims to have bought a 5-year old LEAF in January 2017. Apparently the honeymoon was short indeed. By January 19, 2017 posted the following:

trangen1 wrote:anyone want to join me in a Class action suit vs Nissan??? :o
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:29 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:^^^ Right?! it's __almost__ classic troll behaviour, except that there's still the possibility that he believes what he's written.


When I was reading his claim in this thread I was thinking WTF, I've read this before a few months ago. Then I remembered it was on the Volt message board. A poster claimed his dealer installed a Gen2 battery in their Gen1 Volt. As in the case here, this is not possible. The thread then followed the exact same progression as it did here. If you're interested you can read it here: http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php ... Gen-1-Volt
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:37 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:I’m pretty sure this person is real and believes everything written thus far.

I’ve worked with people like this. “I’m so amazing I’ve done something none of you losers have done before and why don’t you tell me how cool I am!” This nearly always follows the trajectory which was just on display in this thread where weak evidence is rebutted and the ultimate outcome is “well whatever I’m cool so suck it.”


Sorry to go of topic, but I didn't realize you also own a Leaf. If I missed it, could you or have you done a comparison of your the two BEVs?

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:14 pm

ENIAC wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:^^^ Right?! it's __almost__ classic troll behaviour, except that there's still the possibility that he believes what he's written.


When I was reading his claim in this thread I was thinking WTF, I've read this before a few months ago. Then I remembered it was on the Volt message board. A poster claimed his dealer installed a Gen2 battery in their Gen1 Volt. As in the case here, this is not possible. The thread then followed the exact same progression as it did here. If you're interested you can read it here: http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php ... Gen-1-Volt


Wow! It's as if they followed the same playbook! I wonder if they're some sort of AI test?
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:10 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
ENIAC wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:^^^ Right?! it's __almost__ classic troll behaviour, except that there's still the possibility that he believes what he's written.


When I was reading his claim in this thread I was thinking WTF, I've read this before a few months ago. Then I remembered it was on the Volt message board. A poster claimed his dealer installed a Gen2 battery in their Gen1 Volt. As in the case here, this is not possible. The thread then followed the exact same progression as it did here. If you're interested you can read it here: http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php ... Gen-1-Volt


Wow! It's as if they followed the same playbook! I wonder if they're some sort of AI test?

"I'm sorry Dave. I cannot do that."

MtnDrew has this OP pegged. As for the question of a 30 kWh battery in a 2012 LEAF, it is unresolved but highly unlikely, if for no other reason than his reported driving range is consistent with a 24 kWh battery replacement.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:28 am

I couldn't have said it better than mtndrew1. Agreed w/SageBrush here.
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:Wow! It's as if they followed the same playbook! I wonder if they're some sort of AI test?

Heh. I guess you're thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:12 am

Once upon a time I wanted (and pleaded with Nissan to make available) a 30-kWh replacement battery for our MY2011/2012 LEAFs. But based on the data I have seen, I have to say that we are probably better off with a 24 kWh replacement (assuming they still use the old chemistry). It appears that the capacity of a 30-kWh battery will start out higher but will drop below that of a 24-kWh battery after a couple of years. The real benefit of the 30-kWh batteries appears to be the better capacity warranty.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:13 am

RegGuheert wrote:Once upon a time I wanted (and pleaded with Nissan to make available) a 30-kWh replacement battery for our MY2011/2012 LEAFs. But based on the data I have seen, I have to say that we are probably better off with a 24 kWh replacement (assuming they still use the old chemistry). It appears that the capacity of a 30-kWh battery will start out higher but will drop below that of a 24-kWh battery after a couple of years. The real benefit of the 30-kWh batteries appears to be the better capacity warranty.

The longer warranty is a clear benefit for sure, but regarding capacity we could say for sure if the 4 bar drop SoC or SOH threshold for the 30 kWh battery was known. Say the threshold is 65% for the 24 kWh battery and 60% for the 30 kWh variety, then replacements occur at ~ 15.6 kWh in the smaller battery and at 18 kWh in the larger ones. That is still quite a large difference percentage wise, and around 10 miles of range for most people.

So as a free replacement choice (hah!), it would be superior.

The situation where the larger pack sucks is new car owners who pay more for the larger battery to meet their use profile. Quickly dropping down to ~ 20 - 25 kWh where the car cannot meet the commute needs and yet not be in the battery replacement range is sure to bite some owners.
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