rpmdk
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon May 15, 2017 1:40 pm

I am going to get the LEAF battery replaced, but I'll still be limited to 84 miles range. Hopefully by the end of this year or early next year there is a vehicle that suits me better. The LEAF 2 is what I'm really curious about. If it doesn't live up to the hype then I'll look at the Kia Soul again. The Soul is supposed to be getting a 30 kW battery for 2018, and there may be a 120 mile range Niro EV coming out soon. With all the longer range vehicles on the market Kia may have to drop the price significantly. I should test drive the Ioniq at some point, but I'm really more interested in a hatchback.

Normally I would buy, but I'm planning to lease because I can use it as a tax write off for my company. Also, I was very shocked by the depreciation of my LEAF. I bought it figuring gas prices would continue to rise and a used LEAF would be much more valuable. Of course gas dropped and the battery turned out to be a dud. If Nissan weren't helping replace the battery, then the car would pretty much be useless. I couldn't in good conscience sell it someone else unless they really knew just how limited an 8 bar LEAF is - even for the paltry $4000 it would probably fetch. So I will lease, I don't want to get burned again, especially when 2020 looks to be the year that multiple long range larger vehicles from a number of different manufacturers may start to appear. By 2021 hopefully I can buy a great vehicle and drive that for a decade or so.

GerryAZ wrote:$1500 makes the car you already own like new again. If you lease the Soul, you pay $200 per month and end up with no car when the lease ends. Are you sure you want to give up the LEAF? I am an old guy who likes the Soul and I might have purchased one if they had been available in AZ when I had to replace my 2011. The Soul EV is still not available here.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon May 15, 2017 3:35 pm

Yes, we who supported Nissan by buying the Leaf and placed our trust in their management are disappointed because they decided neither to improve the range of the car along the way nor offer upgraded batteries for the older models. The results are a lot of unhappy customers. I no longer trust Nissan so if I buy another car, it won't be a Nissan, ever.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon May 15, 2017 7:33 pm

I was definitely feeling this way too. I had babied the battery trusting it would last, but I just ended up losing the 4th bar shortly out of warranty. Their offer to pay 80% of the battery replacement put me square back in the Nissan camp.

fotajoye wrote:Yes, we who supported Nissan by buying the Leaf and placed our trust in their management are disappointed because they decided neither to improve the range of the car along the way nor offer upgraded batteries for the older models. The results are a lot of unhappy customers. I no longer trust Nissan so if I buy another car, it won't be a Nissan, ever.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 6:39 am

rpmdk wrote:I was definitely feeling this way too. I had babied the battery trusting it would last, but I just ended up losing the 4th bar shortly out of warranty. Their offer to pay 80% of the battery replacement put me square back in the Nissan camp.

fotajoye wrote:Yes, we who supported Nissan by buying the Leaf and placed our trust in their management are disappointed because they decided neither to improve the range of the car along the way nor offer upgraded batteries for the older models. The results are a lot of unhappy customers. I no longer trust Nissan so if I buy another car, it won't be a Nissan, ever.


It's a cold calculated move on the part of Nissan.

I once wondered why they would not take better care of their first customers, since we will influence the next batch of customers either positively or negatively.
It turns out that if you study Rogers Diffusion of Innovation theory, the level of influence or "Opinion Leadership" that consumers have is maximized during the second phase of market adoption. Rogers calls that phase "Early adopter". We are part of the previous classification known as "Innovators". It's the second batch of customers that will make or break a product's adoption, that's who Nissan will be sure to keep happy. We don't rate that high in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 6:58 am

I wonder if anyone knows:

1. The current price of getting a replacement battery (assuming no warranty help).
2. Has the price been going down, holding steady, or going up over the years.
3. I have a 2013, if/when I need to replace the battery is it the same as the original, or the higher capacity that is on the new cars.

Curious only - my battery if fine. 30K miles and I have no bars lost or any indication of lost capacity. Reason I am asking is that EV skeptical friends always say "Yeah, but you will have to replace that expensive battery so EV's are not worth it".

My response is that I save so much on gas it offsets the cost of a battery. It would just be nice to have good numbers to back that up. Thanks.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 7:12 am

In the US, ~ $6000
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Car is now enjoying an easy life in Colorado

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 7:22 am

jlatl wrote:I wonder if anyone knows:

1. The current price of getting a replacement battery (assuming no warranty help).
2. Has the price been going down, holding steady, or going up over the years.
3. I have a 2013, if/when I need to replace the battery is it the same as the original, or the higher capacity that is on the new cars.

Curious only - my battery if fine. 30K miles and I have no bars lost or any indication of lost capacity. Reason I am asking is that EV skeptical friends always say "Yeah, but you will have to replace that expensive battery so EV's are not worth it".

My response is that I save so much on gas it offsets the cost of a battery. It would just be nice to have good numbers to back that up. Thanks.


The battery itself is $5,500. You will then pay for taxes and labor to fit it. That will take you north of $6,000 depending on the labor charge, it will vary by dealer.

The price hasn't changed since the replacement battery program was announced several years ago.

Replacement batteries are 24kWh only, no upgrade path to higher capacity packs has been provided by Nissan.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 10:03 am

[quote="J
I once wondered why they would not take better care of their first customers, since we will influence the next batch of customers either positively or negatively.
It turns out that if you study Rogers Diffusion of Innovation theory, the level of influence or "Opinion Leadership" that consumers have is maximized during the second phase of market adoption. Rogers calls that phase "Early adopter". We are part of the previous classification known as "Innovators". It's the second batch of customers that will make or break a product's adoption, that's who Nissan will be sure to keep happy. We don't rate that high in the grand scheme of things.[/quote]

I've always considered myself an "early adopter", apparently I'm an "innovator". I think I like that better, but could we please get this EV revolution a little further down the road.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 10:32 am

I think you are misreading the Rogers model. The second stage has the greatest influence because the consumer base is much wider, not because each person in that level is more important. And more importantly, without a happy first level, the second level flounders.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue May 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Theories make for good discussion; however, theories aside, Nissan has truly made a poor decision here; There are 260,000 plus Leafs worldwide that have created at least that many buyers for a second battery pack. Seems to me Nissan would want their dealers to sell those packs and be able to charge a premium for a higher range. Surely Nissan stands to make money if they manage the process wisely. EVs are more similar to flashlights than ICE cars; you don't throw the light away when the battery goes bad, you replace the battery and keep on shining the light. In fact, there is little or no reason to sell your Leaf, if it will meet your needs...just keep buying batteries every few years and driving the car...no one says you should trade it in every 3 years except those in the business of selling cars. I have a 2000 Toyota Tacoma that cost $17,000 new and is still going nicely. All I do is change oil, add gas, buy a battery and brakes every five to six years and every year it gets cheaper to drive. Let see $17,000 divided by 18 is $944 for each year on the selling price. Next year that will be $17,000 divide by 19 or $895(ha)...

BTW, because there are so many companies starting to build batteries, I believe eventually there will be a healthy aftermarket battery pack business...too bad Tesla doesn't build them for a Leaf.

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