fotajoye
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:18 pm

trangen1 wrote:Thanks, I Googled it and found out what LeafSpy is, let me download the app and I'll let you guys and gals know. I'm real busy at work right now. But I'll get to it. I'm curious to see the LeafSpy specs on my LEAF myself.


Have you made any progress on finding out if you have a 30 kWh pack?
If you have a Nissan part number of the pack, that might be all you need.
Many of us still driving old Leafs are interested in what Nissan has available to replace depleted packs.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:25 am

fotajoye wrote:
trangen1 wrote:Thanks, I Googled it and found out what LeafSpy is, let me download the app and I'll let you guys and gals know. I'm real busy at work right now. But I'll get to it. I'm curious to see the LeafSpy specs on my LEAF myself.


Have you made any progress on finding out if you have a 30 kWh pack?
If you have a Nissan part number of the pack, that might be all you need.
Many of us still driving old Leafs are interested in what Nissan has available to replace depleted packs.


24kwh LEAFs get 24 kwh replacements.

30 kwh LEAFs get 30 kwh replacements.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 27,000 miles.363GID Ahr 79.13Hx95.17%kwh28.1QCs238,L2's 251
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:37 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
fotajoye wrote:
trangen1 wrote:Thanks, I Googled it and found out what LeafSpy is, let me download the app and I'll let you guys and gals know. I'm real busy at work right now. But I'll get to it. I'm curious to see the LeafSpy specs on my LEAF myself.


Have you made any progress on finding out if you have a 30 kWh pack?
If you have a Nissan part number of the pack, that might be all you need.
Many of us still driving old Leafs are interested in what Nissan has available to replace depleted packs.


24kwh LEAFs get 24 kwh replacements.

30 kwh LEAFs get 30 kwh replacements.


Not according to trangen1 it doesn't! ;-)
[2013 leaf traded for 2016 leaf S30:
build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
1 May 2017 - 7300 miles & 363 GIDs
6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs
26 Oct 2017 - 15.5k miles & 344 GIDs
26 Nov 2017 - 17.1k miles & 332 GIDs]

zevpilot
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:09 am

Can anyone help. I want to replace a 2011 Gen 1 Leaf battery with what I believe is a lizard battery with 5,000 miles on it I managed to buy from a crashed leaf.

I believe there is a connection adaptor and I may need to swap the BMS from the original battery.

Thanks

B

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:34 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
fotajoye wrote:
Have you made any progress on finding out if you have a 30 kWh pack?
If you have a Nissan part number of the pack, that might be all you need.
Many of us still driving old Leafs are interested in what Nissan has available to replace depleted packs.


24kwh LEAFs get 24 kwh replacements.

30 kwh LEAFs get 30 kwh replacements.


Not according to trangen1 it doesn't! ;-)


Don't know about him but have you seen this?


http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2017/11 ... looks.html
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 27,000 miles.363GID Ahr 79.13Hx95.17%kwh28.1QCs238,L2's 251
My Blog; http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:37 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
24kwh LEAFs get 24 kwh replacements.

30 kwh LEAFs get 30 kwh replacements.


Not according to trangen1 it doesn't! ;-)


Don't know about him but have you seen this?


http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2017/11 ... looks.html


It was a joke from a few pages back. And yes, I read that post. Great find, but as you concluded, being able to go to a smaller battery doesn't mean the gen1 leafs can go to a larger battery.
[2013 leaf traded for 2016 leaf S30:
build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
1 May 2017 - 7300 miles & 363 GIDs
6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs
26 Oct 2017 - 15.5k miles & 344 GIDs
26 Nov 2017 - 17.1k miles & 332 GIDs]

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:38 am

zevpilot wrote:Can anyone help. I want to replace a 2011 Gen 1 Leaf battery with what I believe is a lizard battery with 5,000 miles on it I managed to buy from a crashed leaf.

I believe there is a connection adaptor and I may need to swap the BMS from the original battery.

Thanks

B


You should contact Cor. He might be able to help you out (if you're in his area): viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21997
[2013 leaf traded for 2016 leaf S30:
build date: Sep '16 :: purchased: Nov '16
1 May 2017 - 7300 miles & 363 GIDs
6 Sep 2017 - 13k miles & 359 GIDs
26 Oct 2017 - 15.5k miles & 344 GIDs
26 Nov 2017 - 17.1k miles & 332 GIDs]

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:52 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
zevpilot wrote:Can anyone help. I want to replace a 2011 Gen 1 Leaf battery with what I believe is a lizard battery with 5,000 miles on it I managed to buy from a crashed leaf.

I believe there is a connection adaptor and I may need to swap the BMS from the original battery.

Thanks

B


You should contact Cor. He might be able to help you out (if you're in his area): http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21997


Saw his post and I am sure he will benefit someone but my only desire is getting a bigger pack at the best price and due to lack of deposit on T3 (still hoping for a CPO option! in 2018 :) )

My options appear to be Bolt for about 34,000 (cost all in including expected discounts)

or LEAF at 26,000 which will have benefit of low lease payments for 3 years greatly easing any financial impact or commitment.

I am struggling to justify the extra commitment the Bolt currently requires. Test drove it yesterday and it exceeded my expectations including seat comfort in every way but is the range worth it at any cost?
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 (build 10/2016)"low water marks" 27,000 miles.363GID Ahr 79.13Hx95.17%kwh28.1QCs238,L2's 251
My Blog; http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

fotajoye
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:15 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
zevpilot wrote:Can anyone help. I want to replace a 2011 Gen 1 Leaf battery with what I believe is a lizard battery with 5,000 miles on it I managed to buy from a crashed leaf.

I believe there is a connection adaptor and I may need to swap the BMS from the original battery.

Thanks

B


You should contact Cor. He might be able to help you out (if you're in his area): http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21997


Saw his post and I am sure he will benefit someone but my only desire is getting a bigger pack at the best price and due to lack of deposit on T3 (still hoping for a CPO option! in 2018 :) )

My options appear to be Bolt for about 34,000 (cost all in including expected discounts)

or LEAF at 26,000 which will have benefit of low lease payments for 3 years greatly easing any financial impact or commitment.

I am struggling to justify the extra commitment the Bolt currently requires. Test drove it yesterday and it exceeded my expectations including seat comfort in every way but is the range worth it at any cost?


It appears the batteries are located within the same space in the various MY Leafs. In fact the 2018 MY uses the same chassis dimensions as the older Leafs. So, the question becomes: "Why won't Nissan do the necessary engineering to fit the higher density batteries in the older models and offer the upgrade?" I have yet to read a plausible answer to this question from Nissan, only their dealers quoting Nissan's restrictive battery policy. or user speculation.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:55 pm

fotajoye wrote:It appears the batteries are located within the same space in the various MY Leafs. In fact the 2018 MY uses the same chassis dimensions as the older Leafs. So, the question becomes: "Why won't Nissan do the necessary engineering to fit the higher density batteries in the older models and offer the upgrade?" I have yet to read a plausible answer to this question from Nissan, only their dealers quoting Nissan's restrictive battery policy. or user speculation.

viewtopic.php?p=491774#p491774

The most plausible is the engineering + homologation costs will be too high to justify given what price they would have to charge vs. the actual demand. Lots of people say they want _____ but will actually not follow through or will not follow through when they hear the cost. And, Nissan core business is selling cars, which they'd rather do than selling you multi-kilobuck battery upgrades.

Nissan is well aware (well, prior to knowing about the crap degradation on the 30 kWh packs) that some (many?) folks would rather pay for a 30 kWh pack than a 24, if they have to pay full price to replace their degraded old Leaf battery.

And given the 30 kWh pack is heavier, the max cargo + passenger weight allowed will likely have to go down on cars that weren't originally 30 kWh cars.

'13 blue Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 blue Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
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