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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Wed May 31, 2017 7:39 am

I wonder how much of an impact Nissan's sale of its stake in they battery unit will have on the price/availability of replacements.

It would make sense for it to drive the price down as there was a bit of a conflict of interest with Nissan. They definitely have much more incentive to sell a new car than they do a new battery. If the batteries are now sold by an independent company, they will have no conflict. They just want to sell as many batteries as possible.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 8:13 am

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jlatl wrote:
edatoakrun wrote:The vast majority of pack replacements so far have been under warranty or subsidized by Nissan, and were either free or exchanged for a fraction of that cost.

Of those few who have reported paying for the pack themselves, I believe several have reported substantial discounts from the $5,500 list price for exchange, with one person claiming they only were charged ~$4,200, IIRC.

Anyone know what the dealer cost is on a 24 kWh pack?


Thanks edatoakrun for the info. My 2013 has a little over 30K miles on it and I have not lost any bars or noticed any lost capacity, but I am curious - looking ahead to the future. Taking $5,500 battery cost, minus $1,000 core charge, plus about $800 install you get ~$5,300 total list.

I have been hoping that with improvements in technology, larger market, and competition we would see significant price drops. I wonder what it would be if we had a competitive market?


FYI $5,500 is inclusive of the core discount. Without the core refund the cost is $6,500.


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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:43 am

I am confused. Is the cost $5,500 plus $1,000 core deposit which you get back, or is it $5,500 including the core deposit meaning it is $4,500 plus $1,000 and you get the $1,000 back?
(this does not include labor costs)
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:53 am

jlatl wrote:I am confused. Is the cost $5,500 plus $1,000 core deposit which you get back, or is it $5,500 including the core deposit meaning it is $4,500 plus $1,000 and you get the $1,000 back?
(this does not include labor costs)


The retail price is $6500 - $1000 manditory core charge. Your net is $5500.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:18 am

OrientExpress wrote:...The retail price is $6500 - $1000 manditory core charge. Your net is $5500.

Correct, but to be clear, it is not really a core charge, since returning the OE pack is mandatory, you do not have the option of keeping your OE pack, and paying the $1,000.

Also, some have claimed they bought packs at below the retail price of $6500.

Is this true?

And is the current dealer cost of a replacement "24 kWh" battery pack known?

Bonus question!

Anyone know the list price or cost of a replacement "30 kWh" pack?
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:30 am

webb14leafs wrote:I wonder how much of an impact Nissan's sale of its stake in they battery unit will have on the price/availability of replacements.

It would make sense for it to drive the price down as there was a bit of a conflict of interest with Nissan. They definitely have much more incentive to sell a new car than they do a new battery. If the batteries are now sold by an independent company, they will have no conflict. They just want to sell as many batteries as possible.


Word is LG Chem will supply batteries to Nissan for the Leaf. Since Nissan will now have little interest in Leaf batteries, perhaps LG Chem will offer upgraded batteries for the older model Leafs. In this case and depending on costs, this might make a used Leaf with an upgraded battery a viable used car option.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:40 am

Something I got from a dealer a year ago, apparently $4,499 is the dealer cost, the total verbal quote for the job was about $5,800 tax and 5hr@$120 labor inclusive (not the $6,248 which I think is the number their software inserted automatically).

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:29 pm

edatoakrun wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:...The retail price is $6500 - $1000 manditory core charge. Your net is $5500.

Correct, but to be clear, it is not really a core charge, since returning the OE pack is mandatory, you do not have the option of keeping your OE pack, and paying the $1,000.

Also, some have claimed they bought packs at below the retail price of $6500.

Is this true?

And is the current dealer cost of a replacement "24 kWh" battery pack known?

Bonus question!

Anyone know the list price or cost of a replacement "30 kWh" pack?


Yes owners have been successful negotiating co-pay discounts on replacement batteries through Nissan customer service. Nissan treat each claim for out of warranty assistance on a case by case basis.

If you look at truedelta.com you can search for the cost of LEAF battery replacements the owners have reported paying. It ranges widely from $1,200 all the way up to $6,500.

As far as i am aware Nissan have not established a price for a replacement 30kWh pack. It took a class action lawsuit and years of pleading by owners to get Nissan to establish a price for the 24kWh pack. Don't hold your breath.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:45 pm

There is currently zero market for 30 kwh replacement packs so what's the rush?
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:31 am

webb14leafs wrote:I wonder how much of an impact Nissan's sale of its stake in they battery unit will have on the price/availability of replacements.

It would make sense for it to drive the price down as there was a bit of a conflict of interest with Nissan. They definitely have much more incentive to sell a new car than they do a new battery. If the batteries are now sold by an independent company, they will have no conflict. They just want to sell as many batteries as possible.


That may happen. Another possibility is that once Nissan withdraw investment in the old battery technology and stop selling vehicles using the old technology batteries the demand for the old tech batteries will slowly dry up. Meaning prices may not go down and could even rise if it becomes difficult to source obsolete components.

There's no telling what the new owner/investors will do with AESC, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough which way the wind blows.
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