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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:47 pm

DeeAgeaux wrote:There is 0% chance Prius Prime outsells Model 3 in 2018. Yes, even Globally.
0%, huh? So you think Tesla can deliver more than about 100,000 Model 3s in 2018? I'm estimating that's how many Toyota Prius Primes will be delivered this year.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:13 pm

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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:42 pm


They certainly don't care for the fact that these are all sub-20 mile AER PHEVs, and I mostly agree with them with the exception of the A3. Owners seem to be getting 19-20 miles AER in the real world, so while I'd much rather see it (actually, all of them) with an EPA AER in the low to mid-20s, I give it a pass for now based on its price and general performance. The next (battery) gen of all these cars needs to crack the 20 mile barrier.
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Re: Why is the LEAF pulling away from the Volt?

Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:42 pm

January's U.S. sales total for semi-affordable sub-$40k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 2,236, 32.9% (9 types: Bolt; LEAF; 500e; e-Golf; Soul EV; Focus Electric; Ionic BEV; Clarity BEV; Smart ED).
PHEV, 4,564, 57.2% (11 types: Volt; Prius Prime; Fusion Energi; C-Max Energi; A3 E-tron; Sonata PHEV; Optima PHV; Mini Countryman PHV; Clarity PHEV; Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, Ionic PHEV)
Total 6,800. BEV/PHEV % decreased/increased by 8.2%.

Total sub-$40k PEV sales were down 5,647 M-o-M, the usual January sales slump. The absence of the SR Model 3 for quite a while yet will likely delay any major shift in the BEV/PHEV ratio in favor of the former. I'm no longer going to bother listing sales of each car, only the leader in each category and any others with monthly sales over 1k. So:

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 1,496; BEV, Bolt @ 1,177.

Anyone interested in a particular vehicle not mentioned should check the monthly chart at IEVS: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/

January's U.S. sales total for affordable sub-$30k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 203, 9.0% (3 types: Focus Electric; IONIQ BEV, Smart ED)
PHEV, 1,885, 90.1% (3 types: Prius Prime; C-Max Energi, Kia NIro PHEV)
Total 2,088. Decrease/Increase of 1.1% for BEV/PHEV market share, respectively.

PHEV, Prius Prime @ 1,496; BEV Smart ED @ 84.

The Smart ED (maybe the Spark was too) has been the only PEV with an MSRP below $25k, and while I've always thought that it was so limited in appeal it wasn't worth separating it out, it now has some competition in that price category, the Ionic PHEV. So, without further ado:

January's U.S. sales total for very affordable sub-$25k MSRP PEVs:

BEV, 84, 79.2% (1 type, Smart ED).
PHEV, 22, 20.8% (1 type, Ionic PHEV)
Total 106.

BEV, Smart ED @ 84; PHEV, Ionic PHEV @ 22. This is the Ionic PHEV's first month of availability, so I expect sales to climb rapidly for a while as stocks increase, and with its price advantage we'll see if it overtakes the Prime.
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